Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!clyde.concordia.ca!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sunybcs!boulder!bill From: bill@boulder.Colorado.EDU Newsgroups: comp.ai.neural-nets Subject: Re: Harmony theory - looking for references and clues Keywords: Harmony theory, probabilistic units, symmetry Message-ID: <18636@boulder.Colorado.EDU> Date: 20 Mar 90 18:07:18 GMT References: <2693@ruuinf.cs.ruu.nl> Sender: news@boulder.Colorado.EDU Reply-To: bill@synapse.Colorado.EDU (Bill Skaggs) Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder Lines: 42 In article <2693@ruuinf.cs.ruu.nl> jagversm@praxis.cs.ruu.nl (Koen Versmissen) writes: > Now neurons are not (or at best hardly) probabilistic, right? I can't claim any particular expertise with respect to Harmony theory, but I can tell you that most neurons (and all the ones thought to be involved in cognition) are extremely probabilistic. There are a number of factors (variable amount of neurotransmitter released by a synapse; random opening and closing of channels; etc.) combining to make it unpredictable when a given cell will fire -- in addition, because of the all-or-nothing character of firing, any moderately complex system of neurons will form a chaotic system (in the dynamical systems sense), so that quantum uncertainties will quickly be amplified into global randomness. There was a book published a few years ago devoted to analyzing the stochastic behavior of neurons; the title was something like "Stochastic Analysis of Neural Activity." (I don't have the reference, and I don't know the author; it's not in our library.) > How > then can harmony theory claim to provide a _micro-level_ description > of the mind? Shouldn't it rather be called an _intermediate level_ > description? I believe you are right that the units of Harmony theory are not necessarily intended to correspond to biological neurons: the theory is "micro" level in comparison to the "macro" level of explicit rules, not in any physiological sense. >- The same question as the above, but now concerning symmetric > connections in Harmony theory, as opposed to asymmetry in the brain. The question of symmetry in the brain remains open. If indeed the brain makes use of Harmony-style relaxation-calculations, they probably take place in restricted subnetworks confined to relatively small portions of the cerebral cortex -- and there are in fact classes of local connections in cortex which are roughly symmetric. (Of course there are also a great many classes of asymmetric connections.) The "style" of computation in the brain is something neuroscience has at present few effective ways of investigating. -- Bill Skaggs