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From: srg@cunixd.cc.columbia.edu (Steven R Gerber)
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Subject: Re: OS/2 vs. Unix
Message-ID: <1990Mar17.220703.16933@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu>
Date: 17 Mar 90 22:07:03 GMT
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Preface:  This is not a flame war.
Phil, let's move the discussion though.  I just got some mail requesting we do.
Please e-mail me - I want to keep going.

In article <29511@amdcad.AMD.COM> phil@pepsi.AMD.COM (Phil Ngai) writes:
>In article <1990Mar15.152746.21025@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu> srg@cunixd.cc.columbia.edu (Steven R Gerber) writes:
>|>Be serious. I use both DOS and Unix daily and I have a much better
>|>history mechanism on DOS than I do on Unix.
>|	Did you mean you're using an additional utility (4DOS, stack, etc.)?
>|	If you mean the regular F3 etc., you gotta be kidding!
>
>Yes, I have some additional utilities on DOS. I do on Unix too,
>things like readnews, emacs, ksh, etc.
>
>|>I have job control and backgrounding too. You don't HAVE to have Unix
>|>to do this.
>|	True.  You can kludge this (Windows, DesqView, etc.).
>|	But FACE IT: MS-DOS just plain ain't got it.
>
>I refuse to accept comparisons of DOS without any utilities unless
>you also look at Unix without utilities like csh, X, etc.
	I gotta take this one.  The difference here is the OS.
	Unix has multi-tasking built in - MS-DOS doesn't.
	This has nothing to do with the shell and/or utilities.
	BTW Specifically, MS-DOS is NOT re-entrant which makes
	multi-tasking VERY difficult.
>
>|	I don't want to do back-flips to code.  BTW, have you every programmed
>|	for Windows?  It's a real pain-in-the-ass and the SDK is expensive.
>
>Have you ever programmed for X?
	Yes.  It's a lot easier than Windows.  It's portable and it works.
	Windows and the SDK are almost constantly coming out with new
	versions which are incompatible with previous.
>
>Are you saying Unix is not expensive?
	Certainly it isn't at first.  But, after you add all YOUR
	utilities to MS-DOS the prices go up.  Let's take an
	example (possibly a bad one).  ESIX (Everex's unix) is
	~$600.00 US including X-Tools.  Just MS-Windows with the SDK
	is about that much.
>
>--
>Phil Ngai, phil@amd.com		{uunet,decwrl,ucbvax}!amdcad!phil
>Boycott the census! With the history of abuse census data has,
>do you really trust the government?

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