Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!ns-mx!iowasp!deimos.cis.ksu.edu!rutgers!usc!cs.utexas.edu!mailrus!accuvax.nwu.edu!nucsrl!telecom-request From: stank@cbnewsl.ATT.COM (Stan Krieger) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom Subject: Re: Billing and Answer Supervision Message-ID: <5197@accuvax.nwu.edu> Date: 15 Mar 90 14:34:07 GMT Sender: news@accuvax.nwu.edu Organization: Summit NJ Lines: 48 Approved: Telecom@eecs.nwu.edu X-Submissions-To: telecom@eecs.nwu.edu X-Administrivia-To: telecom-request@eecs.nwu.edu X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 10, Issue 175, Message 5 of 9 > > the monthly phone bill listed *only* the number of message units consumed > > that month, and the corresponding total amount to pay; there was no > > itemization of calls. > And how is that any different from the typical electric, > water, or natural gas bill? In a typical house, each of these items > is metered and once a month you get a bill saying "according to our > meter, you used XXX kWH of electricity, and you own us $YYY". > Why is it that people are perfectly happy to get non-itemized > bills from other utilities but not from the phone company? There are simple answers to this question. The first is that, unlike the gas or electric utilties, there are cases where the phone company will refund the charges after usage (i.e., wrong numbers) or not charge at all for usage (i.e., no answer or busy). Thus, the only way to determine if, in fact, these charges were not posted is to have a fully itemized list. The water company doesn't refund charges due to a non-seating of the toilet valve, nor does the electric company when you leave the refrigerator door open. The second is that immediate access to billing information for water, electricity, and gas is available. If you, for example, want to see how many KWH the electric company is billing you for your airconditioner, just take meter readings two hours before, one hour before, when you turn the A/C on, and one and two hours after. The difference in averages is mostly the A/C usage. The bottom line is that we are not taking the water, electric, etc. company's word for it when we get their bill, as we can independently audit all the information that they're basing their bill on, but we are taking the phone company's word for it. As an aside, about 22 years ago, NY Telephone got a tariff to provide detailed billing for message unit calls (there is no unlimited local service in New York City; message unit calls, from 1 to 6 for the initial period with 1 message unit calls being untimed, cover Nassau County (Long Island), all of New York City, and the southern part of Westchester County, including Yonkers, Rye, and White Plains). Where NY Tel really socked it to anyone who wanted the service was that the minimum for a call would be 2 message units. Now, that might have been okay, but all calls billed as 2 message units, including those to one message unit areas, would be timed (1 message unit every 3 minutes after the first 5 minutes). Needless to say, this service was not very popular. Stan Krieger Summit, NJ ...!att!attunix!smk