Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!mailrus!accuvax.nwu.edu!nucsrl!telecom-request From: @jhmail.hcf.jhu.edu:ins_bac@jhunix.bitnet (ins_bac) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom Subject: What is LOD and Phrack? Message-ID: <5334@accuvax.nwu.edu> Date: 18 Mar 90 09:46:32 GMT Sender: news@accuvax.nwu.edu Reply-To: jhunix!ins_bac@uunet.uu.net Organization: The Johns Hopkins University - HCF Lines: 37 Approved: Telecom@eecs.nwu.edu X-Submissions-To: telecom@eecs.nwu.edu X-Administrivia-To: telecom-request@eecs.nwu.edu X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 10, Issue 183, Message 8 of 9 Sorry to sound misinformed but I guess this is the best place to find out. 1) I have been reading about hacking groups called LOD and PHRACK, what exactly did they do that warrants the sentence of 31 years? I mainly want to sound objective, but if these 'kids' could do it, then outside malevolent forces I am sure could do it. I think people are going to have to learn that kids are a lot smarter than they think. I am under the impression that these groups did nothing that threatened the integrity of the systems they explored. Also I'd like to add that with the growing amount of control communications services afford thru information dissemination, not only will this incident prove to be a rallying point around the hacker ethic for the next generation of hackers but it could make these young geniuses into martyrs. I think the phone company is best erved by listening to them instead of persecuting them. If they (PH. and LOD) did do this for profit, I am sure they would have been in different position. ins_bac@jhunix.hcf.jhu.edu [Moderator's Note: The 'hackers group' is called Legion of Doom, or LoD for short. Phrack is the official publication of the Legion. Phrack was distrbuted via the Internet, among other electronic networks, and it was the contents of Phrack, among other things, which got the LoD in trouble recently and caused at least a few computer sites to be closed by the government and/or (in the case of attctc) by its owner. They have not received any punishment yet because they have not been found guilty yet. For further information, I refer you to the Telecom-Archives (ftp lcs.mit.edu - cd telecom-archives) and the file there entitled 'jolnet'. PT]