Xref: utzoo comp.music:928 comp.ai.neural-nets:1512 Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!clyde.concordia.ca!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!csd4.csd.uwm.edu!markh From: markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark William Hopkins) Newsgroups: comp.music,comp.ai.neural-nets Subject: Re: Music by Kohonen's NN Keywords: neural nets, music Message-ID: <2940@uwm.edu> Date: 18 Mar 90 02:46:25 GMT References: <1990Mar6.200147.21195@cec1.wustl.edu> <76@nrl-cmf.UUCP> Sender: news@uwm.edu Reply-To: markh@csd4.csd.uwm.edu (Mark William Hopkins) Followup-To: comp.music Organization: University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Lines: 25 In article <76@nrl-cmf.UUCP> tedwards@cmsun.UUCP (Thomas Edwards) writes: > >The exact algorithm is not expected to be published exactly because there is >much commercial interest in his technique.... >...had the typical computer generated lack of overall theme, and there were >some times when I just couldn't help thinking "That was the wrong note for >this song." However, it did seem to create often wonderfully powerful >repetitons of strong note sequences. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Sounds to me like the net encoded music using something analogous to "Wickelphones". If you look for combinations in limited contexts (such as all 3 note sequences), you can abstract out the explicit time ordering while still preserving much of the identity of the music. A musical piece would be identified by which "Wickelpitches" occurred in it, but all the global structural information would be lost. Hence the behavior you describe. It is interesting to note that simply by compiling a table of probabilities for, say, 5 character sequences in English text, you can automatically generate text that is remarkably English-like using those probabilities and a random number generator. If you have time (and storage space and generous amounts of text), you may want to try it.