Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!uwm.edu!rpi!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!elroy.jpl.nasa.gov!ames!pacbell!rbdc!barry From: barry@rbdc (Barry Newberry) Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple Subject: Mac vs. Apple II line Summary: The Apple II line is NOT obsolete ! Message-ID: <1990Mar20.103837.1940@rbdc> Date: 20 Mar 90 10:38:37 GMT Reply-To: barry@rbdc.UUCP (Barry Newberry) Distribution: usa Organization: N.C. Home for Deranged Programmers Lines: 43 I have no doubts that the Mac is far more powerful than any Apple II, IIgs included. At 8 MHz, the 65816 can't come close to a 680x0 running at 20 MHz. The 65816 only has 3 data registers (counting X & Y regs); the 680x0 has 8 data registers and 8 address registers. I've programmed the Apple II in Assembly for 8 years, and there aren't enough tricks to make a 65816 work anywhere near as fast as a 680x0. Still, I prefer my IIgs over any Mac (I would accept a free Mac if I got a few thousand dollars worth of peripherals to go with it). The Apple II line is FAR from obsolete (IMHO, to use someone else's abreviation). Most of the time, I run my IIgs at "normal" (1 MHz) speed. The truth is that I spend most of my time programming (typing), and I just don't type fast enough to require the "fast" mode. I really would like to see the standard IIgs at 7+ Mhz, but the point is that most people don't need a super-powerful computer. People want a useful, inexpensive, and reliable machine. Macs are expensive. My first computer, an Apple II+, started out with a cheap monochrome (green) composite monitor; I think it was something like $100. At the time, you could run a good number of programs off of a 5.25" disk (143K). Presently, a hard drive is a MUST on any Mac, and you have to pay for the high resolution which is part of the Mac. I do NOT like internal hard drives, due to the nature of viruses. Also, I am not fond of GS/OS (although it's a great OS) because of the frequent need to "Insert System.Disk." Apple still needs to make major improvements on the IIgs. BASIC in ROM should support Super Hi-Res graphics and the Toolbox, as well as using upper banks of memory. The Hi-Res graphics of the the II+ was a good selling point, because it could be EASILY used WITHOUT additional software. The Double Hi-Res of the IIe was not a good selling point, because almost no one could use it. Even with all of my Assembly Language and Graphics experince, I avoid Double Hi-Res because it requires dithering and bank switching (bank selecting). It would be real nice to use the IIgs sound from BASIC, using a sine wave as the default waveform. Apple management needs to realize that there are a lot of people who have money and want to buy computers, but THEY DON'T ALL HAVE $5000 TO SPEND !!! Also, these people do not need multitask calculation of dynamic five-body gravitational interaction. But a 7+ MHz CPU would be nice. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Remember, until there is a cure for Assembly Language Brain Fry, there will always be the N.C. Home for Deranged Programmers. .......................................................................