Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uwm.edu!lll-winken!sun-barr!newstop!sun!imagen!atari!apratt From: apratt@atari.UUCP (Allan Pratt) Newsgroups: comp.sys.atari.st Subject: Re: SIMMs for the STE Message-ID: <2074@atari.UUCP> Date: 19 Mar 90 18:26:09 GMT References: <9003110544.6.973@cup.portal.com> Organization: Atari Corp., Sunnyvale CA Lines: 42 OK, kids, here's the scoop: I don't know anything, I only report what I think is true. I'm a real person behind the glass screen you see, and I can be wrong or misinformed. Don't blame the messenger: if you don't like Atari's policy, say so, but don't say it in such a way as to blame me. Also, it won't help much to say it on Usenet. Write to Sam T. if you want to be heard. As it happens, I *am* misinformed about the RAM situation, and I'm REALLY sorry I got in the middle of this. It turns out that a policy decision was made a while ago to the effect that SIMMs (the socketed kind) are to be used when building STe's. I don't know if any were built before that decision, and whether SIPs were used in them. As has been pointed out, using SIMMs makes a machine upgradable without solder. It does NOT make them user-upgradable, at least not in the USA, where opening the shield (or maybe the case) voids your warranty. Furthermore, policy decisions are subject to revision by future policy, so I still maintain it's a bad idea to assume that an STe has SIMMs rather than SIPs. Finally, a side note: using SIMMs is not all rosy. The advantages of (dealer-)upgradability must be balanced against the disadvantages inherent in socketed SIMMs. They're less reliable: the sockets break, the contacts get dirty, the SIMMs come loose, etc. So your upgradable STe is less reliable than it would have been with soldered-in SIPs, along with being more expensive because socket+SIMM usually costs more than a SIP alone (I think). Lower reliability also translates into higher production costs because it lowers the yield in manufacturing, making the cost-per-shippable-unit higher. Remember, what I say here is *not* "The Voice of Atari" and in fact what ANYBODY says is to be interpreted in the context of what that person knows to be true, or has "heard" is true, and how likely it is that the person would have heard if the policy changed. I am *not* likely to be up-to-date on policy in manufacturing, because it's FAR from my concern, and I pass things along only to be helpful, not to be official. My disclaimer: Read it. Live it. Be it. ============================================ Opinions expressed above do not necessarily -- Allan Pratt, Atari Corp. reflect those of Atari Corp. or anyone else. ...ames!atari!apratt