Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!snorkelwacker!bloom-beacon!bu.edu!dartvax!eleazar.dartmouth.edu!dragon From: dragon@eleazar.dartmouth.edu (Sam Conway) Newsgroups: rec.birds Subject: Do birds experience pain as we do? Message-ID: <20693@dartvax.Dartmouth.EDU> Date: 18 Mar 90 17:06:54 GMT Sender: news@dartvax.Dartmouth.EDU Organization: Dartmouth College, Hanover, NH Lines: 35 I just spent nearly an hour ripping some very stubborn bloodfeathers out of an equally stubborn peregrine falcon. By the time I was done, it was difficult to tell which of us was more stressed out. In fact, I was so upset by the task that I had to turn the bird over to another person to clean off the blood when I was done. Let me interject at this point that a bloodfeather is sort of like an "ingrown feather", and results when a bird is unable to preen the feather shafts. These become very brittle and tend to bleed heavily from the shaft when broken, creating a potentially dangerous bloodloss situation. With each pull on the broken feathers, the poor falcon gave what very strongly resembled a pain response: that is, she screamed herself hoarse and flailed wildly about. My own stress response was caused by the fact that I was apparently putting this bird through an awful lot of physical torment which I could not avoid. My questions are twain: Do birds feel pain in the same sense that we do, or is it, as some claim, a much lesser feeling of discomfort that results more in a fear reaction than in the actual physical agony that humans feel; secondly, if indeed they do feel pain, is there any form of topical or local anesthetic that can be used safely upon a bird to help reduce the stress of an emergency procedure like this? General anesthesia is obviously out of the question, especially for a field rescue. Please respond via email, if you have any answers to either of these questions, particularly the latter. -- Sam Conway * If you are not listed on the dragon@eleazar.dartmouth.edu * National Registry of Bone Marrow Chemistry Dept., Dartmouth College, NH * Donors...you should be. Vermont Raptor Center (VINS) * Contact your local Red Cross.