Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!intercon!ooblick From: ooblick@intercon.com (Mikki Barry) Newsgroups: rec.birds Subject: Re: Do birds experience pain as we do? Keywords: Mostly indoor Message-ID: <1990Mar20.204745.6549@intercon.com> Date: 20 Mar 90 20:47:45 GMT References: <20693@dartvax.Dartmouth.EDU> <1990Mar20.135528.14793@sci.ccny.cuny.edu> <1990Mar20.173329.19889@dinorah.wustl.edu> Organization: InterCon Systems Corporation, Sterling, VA Lines: 15 That's one that I've often thought about because we've had to pull blood feathers on birds before. Unfortunately, there is usually no alternative. Pull the feather or the bird bleeds to death. Anyway, my amazon growls when he is being hurt (granted, he growl at other times too, but the "pain" growl is different and more intense). My vet has also told me that she believes that birds feel pain. She always apologizes to them and covers their head with a towel before doing anything that might hurt. I think it would be far safer to assume that they DO experience pain so that we never hurt them needlessly. that goes for outdoor too. p.s. How about more falcon/hawk stories? They are facinating. Mikki Barry