Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!ncar!tank!gargoyle!chinet!bill From: bill@chinet.chi.il.us (Bill Mitchell) Newsgroups: comp.os.minix Subject: The Upgrade Process Message-ID: <1990Mar25.175141.780@chinet.chi.il.us> Date: 25 Mar 90 17:51:41 GMT Organization: Chinet - Chicago Public Access UNIX Lines: 55 I (thankfully) missed out on the 1.4.x upgrades. Like many others, I've done 1.3->1.5.0->1.5.3->1.5.5 working nights and weekends. I've cursed and sweated through it all, probably making more silly mistakes than most, and having trouble recovering from each silly mistake because of my inadequate checkpointing during the upgrade process. I don't know how Andy manages to produce all these improvements working nights and weekends, even with help from the band of prolific implementors whose names keep showing up on the net. I barely have time to keep up with the postings and try to get the current crop of upgrades installed before the next crop obsoletes them. I've easily spent more than 20 hours on each upgrade - I'd guess I've spent quite a bit more. How many active members does this newsgroup have? I've seen a figure of 16,000. I've seen a figure of 10,000. Let's say it's really 5,000. Of this, how many are following upgrades? let's say 1 in 5, or 1,000. Let's say I'm abnormally slow and everyone else completes upgrades 10 hours. 10 hours * 3 upgrades * 1000 persons = 30,000 manhours (person-hours for gender-sensitive fellow Americans) Figuring 40 hours per week and 50 weeks per year, a manyear is 2,000 hours. 30,000/2,000 = 15 manyears spent doing minix upgrades. Can this be right? Could this time have been spent more productively? Could P-H be persuaded to allow limited distribution on disk of fully upgraded interim minix releases to owners of a prior version? Considering the time I've spent doing my own, I'd happily pay for each such upgrade and still buy the next major release and cross-referenced source listing from P-H. Let's say such a packaged upgrade is worth $20 or so to half of the 1000 upgraders (would be worth at least that much to me). That's $10,000. This shouldn't be enough to panic P-H, but should be enough to get something done. Could someone package upgrade kits for designated upgrade providers on each continent? Could these upgrade providers copy and distribute the upgrades? $5 to cover disk and distribution costs, $5 retained by the upgrade provider to cover the hassle of copying and mailing, $5 sent by the upgrade provider to whoever puts together and tests the upgrade package before distribution, and $5 to cover incidentals. (maybe $5 sent to PH? maybe an upfront fee to PH for a license allowing these upgrades?). Does this make sense? Can something like this be made to work? Anybody got a better idea about how we can save all those manyears we've been spending duplicating each others efforts upgrading manually and complaining to one another about all the upgrade problems?