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From: bparsia@eagle.wesleyan.edu
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Subject: Re: Re: Re^2: $$$ & THINK Pascal 3.0
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Date: 22 Mar 90 11:48:34 GMT
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In article <2307@husc6.harvard.edu>, siegel@endor.harvard.edu (Rich Siegel) writes:
> In article <12799@eagle.wesleyan.edu> bparsia@eagle.wesleyan.edu writes:
> 
>>But Rich, we do. That was the point of my orginal (and subsequent posts). We
>>*have* to pay for TCl. It's true, one does get it when one pays for it, but I,
>>for one, don't want it (yet). But I *do* want the nifty procedural stuff you
>>mentioned, plus the other ones mentioned in the press release. I want a THINK
>>Pascal 3.0 lite.
> 
> 	If you find that the upgrade we're offering doesn't suit your needs,
> it is fully within your rights to not purchase the upgrade, or to save your
> pennies until such a time as your needs require the new version.

I agree, and have no problem with this. Buuut, I would *really* like *some* of
the functionality, and the point of my bitching is that I would like to buy
that some for a lesser sum.

> 
>>> 	Pascal 2.0 is completely superseded by Pascal 3.0; it's not common
>>> practice in the software industry to keep selling old versions after a new
>>> release has been made.
>>
>>True, but it is common practice to have low-end and high-end (super developer,
>>power user, I-want-every-bell-and-I'll-use-them-all-and-still-not-be-happy)
> 
> 	It is? Can you give me some examples? I'm not aware of Aldus offering a
> low-end PageMaker or Freehand, or Adobe offering a low-end Illustrator, or
> Acius offering a mini-database. It's quite true that there are low-end 
> drawing programs or page-layout programs or databases, but they're rarely
> offered by the same company that makes the high-end analogs.

However about MicroSoft Word and Write (and whatever the new one will be
called). Bad example, but the first one I thought of. As for Aldus, I thought
the reason they were trying to aquire Silicon Beach Software (a bad idea in my opinion)
was so they could offer a "low-end" page layout program (Personal Press is, I
believe, the S.B. name for it). Symantec offers MacPascal :-).

> 
> 	For someone in your particular position (a college student with
> limited funds), you should definitely contact your school's bookstore,
> or whatever campus organization is responsible for selling hardware and
> software, and see if they carry THINK Pascal. Our educational discounts
> are quite competitive, and you may find that with whatever local price is
> being offered, it may be within your means to purchase THINK Pascal.
> 
> R.
> 
> 
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>  Rich Siegel
>  Staff Software Developer
>  Symantec Corporation, Language Products Group
>  Internet: siegel@endor.harvard.edu
>  UUCP: ..harvard!endor!siegel

To tell you the truth, if I were to by a programming package I would buy ThP. I
think it is a simply amazing product, and you people deserve all the kudos you
get.

What bothers me is that the upgrade price seems, in relation to the street
price of a new package, comparable. This is without the mail-order markup (I
think, I humbly confess to not have investigated it). I think that the upgrade
price for *any* package should be *substantially* cheaper than its street price
(which is usually comparable to the university reduced price).

University discounts, as far as I know, do not apply to upgrades.

Again: I am not on anyone's case (much less Symantec, who I think has great
prices) for charging what their software is worth. I am a tad miffed :-) at
having to buy a lot of something to do (relativly) little.

Thanks for responding!

Bijan J. Parsia