Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!cs.utexas.edu!usc!orion.oac.uci.edu!uci-ics!megatek!cjp From: cjp@megatek.UUCP (Chris Pikus) Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Dram Capacitance (was Questions about DRAM's) Message-ID: <345@winston.megatek.uucp> Date: 7 Apr 90 22:28:48 GMT References: <28686@cup.portal.com> Organization: Megatek Corporation, San Diego, Ca. Lines: 30 From article <28686@cup.portal.com>, by mmm@cup.portal.com (Mark Robert Thorson): > > Or, will SRAM's eventually surpass DRAM's in density? I've heard this > comparison: how small can you make a capacitor / how small can you make > six transistors. Will transistors eventually become so small that six > interconnected transistors together are smaller than a minimum-size > capacitor. Or will the capacitors scale down as far as transistors > can go? > A physicist freind explained it to me once. He says that in order to make a memory cell, you need capacitance. (Whether in a capa- citor or in the junction capacitance of a transistor.) A laymans interpretation is that capacitive delays are needed in the static memory cell since the stability of the "D flip-flop" (static memory cell) depends on the feedback elements from the output. Granted this minimum capacitance is much smaller than what is in a current capacitor today, but there is a quantum limit. A VLSI expert may want to correct me if I am wrong but I was under the impression that the "capacitor" in a DRAM was merely a degenerate form of a standard VLSI transistor (i.e. using the junction capacitance of the FET as the cap.) Thus, capacitors should scale as far as transistors. -- Regards, Christopher J. Pikus, Megatek Corp. INTERNET: cjp@megatek San Diego, CA UUCP: ...!{uunet hplabs!hp-sdd ames!scubed ucbvax!ucsd}!megatek!cjp