Xref: utzoo comp.music:1073 rec.music.classical:13025 Path: utzoo!utgpu!watserv1!watmath!att!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!umich!sharkey!msuinfo!netnews.upenn.edu!vax1.cc.lehigh.edu!vlsi3b15!batman!music From: music@batman.moravian.EDU (music) Newsgroups: comp.music,rec.music.classical Subject: Re: Fractal Music Generation (summary) Keywords: music theory, composition, Meyer Message-ID: <1435@batman.moravian.EDU> Date: 12 Apr 90 19:38:04 GMT References: <562@bilver.UUCP> <1990Apr9.151958.26859@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu> <12859@venera.isi.edu> Followup-To: comp.music,rec.music.classical Organization: Moravian College, Bethlehem, PA Lines: 61 But is it MUSIC? ;-) I personally believe that all you've discussed regarding the algorithmic process of producing (or attempting to produce) "good tonal music" is rather more of a verbose punishment to the reader than the gleaning of any insight to the process being attempted (no offense intended!). I have worked around with algorithmic composition off and on for many years, but "gave up" on attempting to create an artificial musical learning base from which an algorithm could draw upon to produce anything more interesting than (and this is a bad example) the Mozart "Dice Minuet". So I personally decided that the goal of creating "good tonal music" through "pure math" was a non sequitur to the nature of the beast known as "tonal music". I therefore treaded into the teritory of composers such as Xenakis (and Cage from a philosophical, more than "technical" sense). In certain works of Xenakis, Herma (piano) for example, the music is about as far from "tonal" as it is from "12-tone serial" (we limit ourselves here to a system of 12 notes; if we were to explore beyond to the reaches of quarter-tones, arbitrary systems (i.e. Partch) we would be streaching the mind beyond most peoples comprehenshion, something I REALLY WANT TO DO (but that's another story!)). Xenakis uses algorithms to plot his pitch classes, tempi, dynamics, etc. in a way that is more or less "highly organized randomness". Personally, I think his advanced math has little to do with the ultimate outcome of the music, but I like what he does regardless. The music produces more of a gestalt experience than a profoundly complex serial work (like Boulez' Structures and any number of other works by strict 12-tone serialists). The music comes from that great unknown: CHANCE. By carefully controlling the elements of CHANCE on many levels (a grain of sand to an astroid) we can then begin to produce CHANCE-based organization, letting "nature control the music" (think of all the combined chaos and symetry in the universe) and the "composer" guide nature either via algorithms (serialization of chance structures) or by subjective reasoning (nurturing nature). Regardless of the outcome, "tonality" will be replaced by something of a higher order: music that exists etearnally just waiting to be "guided into place". This may smack of musical anarchy, but is the UNIVERSE anarchic? It may seem so on certain levels but ultimately "GOD" controls the "laws of nature" the way I like to control the "laws of the music of nature". Strict tonality/serialism is UN-natural. Only out of cultivating chaos can we deliver the truth of music. Humans have too long restrained themselves into believing that man-made rules about tonality (in the Western world at least) they have unwhittingly enslaved themselves into a very narrow "band" of the musical spectrum (as visible light is to the entire electromagnetic spectrum). We must explore the outer limits of sound and learn to appreciate them as we now appreciate "tonal" music. (Think (philosophically) of the music of the Krell in the film "Forbidden Planet" from the '50's. Think of 4'33". Think of the cosmic background radiation. Think of the Universe as "music in the making". And, finally, you'll probably think of ME as a raving lunatic...) --------------------------------------------------- | Stephen Heller - Music Technician | In transit from | CSNET -> music@batman.moravian.edu | the center of | UUCP -> ...!rutgers!liberty!batman!music | Time & Space... | INET -> music%batman.moravian.edu@relay.cs.net | ---------------------------------------------------