Xref: utzoo comp.arch:15320 comp.os.misc:1156 Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!sco!seanf From: seanf@sco.COM (Sean Fagan) Newsgroups: comp.arch,comp.os.misc Subject: Re: OS/2, PC's, etc... Message-ID: <5613@scolex.sco.COM> Date: 11 Apr 90 10:03:26 GMT References: <9004040041.AA05123@decwrl.dec.com> <19214@boulder.Colorado.EDU> <367@jove.dec.com> <19267@boulder.Colorado.EDU> <22946@watdragon.waterloo.edu> <19338@boulder.Colorado.EDU> Sender: news@sco.COM Reply-To: seanf@sco.COM (Sean Fagan) Followup-To: comp.os.misc Organization: The Santa Cruz Operation, Inc. Lines: 78 This doesn't really belong here. Followup's to comp.os.misc. Also note that '>> ' (note space) is also wallwey, not Tim. In article <19338@boulder.Colorado.EDU> wallwey@boulder.Colorado.EDU (WALLWEY DEAN WILLIAM) writes: >In article <22946@watdragon.waterloo.edu> tbray@watsol.waterloo.edu (Tim Bray) writes: >>Well, one data point; I use a vanilla 8 Mb 25Mhz 386 clone running 386/ix and > >Note you have 8MB and the person I know has only 4MB. This may, and >probably is, the main difference between the system performances. (That is >why I included his memory size in the original article!) Yes. However, the main reason for X being so slow with 4 Mb is because of limited memory storage, and multiple copies of the same stuff. Shared libraries should help immensely, despite the inheirent disadvantage, speed-wise, that SysV's shared library mechanism poses. >> OS/2's Presentation Manager is much faster!... >> you can run OS/2 (witch I think is better than UNIX for the average user ... >> With OS/2, the environment power for programs parallels that of UNIX, >> with design tools for C that make their UNIX equivalents of Vi, CC, LINT and >> DBX, look like they are from the dark ages!... That's really funny. (Note my company, first of all.) I'm going to make some points below, but wanted to point out that statement first. >>development environments, these remarks reveal only ignorance. > >Have you seen Microsoft C 5.1 or the Newer version 6.0 or even the new >32-bit version later this year-They where "ANSI-C" compatible even before >the ANSI group completely announced their final version! Uhm, uSoft C 5.1 or 6.0 is *not* ANSI compliant, although some of us are working extremely hard to make it as much so as possible. In either 5.1 or 6.0, under DOS, try something like: extern int sprintf (const char *, const char *fmt, ...); Legal ANSI-C, yet uSoft C gets a syntax error. *Anyway*, that's not the point, but you really should have your facts straight. >I have >experience with Microsoft C 5.1 and the error messages that I get from >it are much better (my opinion) and informative than lints. So this makes OS/2 better than Unix? Despite the fact that SCO UNIX (tm, tm) uses uSoft C (5.1++, in 3.2)? Despite the fact that the filesystem is faster under Unix than DOS (or OS/2)? >As for editors, well this is a moot point. You can have >just about any type of editor you want under OS/2! ---PM based, interactive >with the compiler, vi, emacs, any of a dozen programmer editors, a >couple of religious(hope I don't offend) program editors like Brief and >M, with many of the above taking advangtage of the mouse and the enhanced >keyboards on the PC. I'll believe emacs (*true* emacs: lisp interpreter and everything) when I see it. Under OS/2, you are *still* limited to 64k segments. Brief (or a clone, actually) is available under *nix. vi originated under *nix. (Note, btw, that emacs and vi can both use the mouse, to some advantage, under sco *nix; I'm sure other people can do something up on other unices just as well.) Emacs Compilation-mode works very well, as far as I'm concerned, although I will admit that QuickC is faster than most C compilers I've seen on *86-base *nix (however, /bin/cc on an Amdahl is faster, by at least one order of magnitude, than even QuickC, and can handle large programs). So, tell me: how do you call up your home machine from work to check your mail? When your housemate is busy running Lotus under DOS, how do you play with your wonder Logitech debugger? What?! You mean you *can't*?! What an inferior OS... -- -----------------+ Sean Eric Fagan | "It's a pity the universe doesn't use [a] segmented seanf@sco.COM | architecture with a protected mode." uunet!sco!seanf | -- Rich Cook, _Wizard's Bane_ (408) 458-1422 | Any opinions expressed are my own, not my employers'.