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From: grr@cbmvax.commodore.com (George Robbins)
Newsgroups: comp.unix.ultrix,comp.sys.dec
Subject: Re: phew!
Message-ID: <10702@cbmvax.commodore.com>
Date: 7 Apr 90 20:46:17 GMT
References: <10655@cbmvax.commodore.com> <1990Apr7.081638.1374@eng.umd.edu> <2834@rodan.acs.syr.edu>
Reply-To: grr@cbmvax (George Robbins)
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In article <2834@rodan.acs.syr.edu> amichiel@rodan.acs.syr.edu (Allen J Michielsen) writes:
> In article <1990Apr7.081638.1374@eng.umd.edu> smaug@eng.umd.edu (Kurt Lidl) writes:
> >Why does the ugly spectre of VMS licensing agreements have to
> >rear it head in U*ix?  I want a nice little (?) operating system
> >that will just run the damn code that I put on it, without
> >seeing how many "users" are logged into the machine and so forth.
>  
>    Sorry, I sorta disagree strongly.  I see what you are trying to say, etc,
> but there are other considerations.  I see & talk to every day many many
> individuals & companies from all walks of life, that think nothing of the
> value of software products.

I don't mind an LMF facility when it encourages software vendors to go to a
simple dollars/session floating network license scheme.  I consider this much
better than some of the per CPU, price scaled by CPU or site license schemes
some software vendors play with now.

I think what a lot of Ultrix users object to more is the idea of DEC removing
yet more "standard BSD" features like pi, f77, franz lisp, and maybe cc and
replacing them with a set of expensive "layered products" with bizarre point
based license fees per the VMS world and a "license management system" to
serve as an "enforcer".

I'll be the first to admit that it costs money to port any of the Berkeley
languages to a new environment, but as a customer I see that as part of the
entry price of selling a BSD compatible system.

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