Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!samsung!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!uupsi!sunic!tut!santra!kampi.hut.fi!jmunkki From: jmunkki@kampi.hut.fi (Juri Munkki) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac Subject: Re: Thank you, Apple! (for again singling out 'the rest of us') Message-ID: <1990Apr7.162134.9392@santra.uucp> Date: 7 Apr 90 16:21:34 GMT References: <1990Mar25.125336.8932@uwasa.fi> <2314@tellab5.tellabs.com> <1990Apr03.181459.25028@pmafire.UUCP> <1465@bridge2.ESD.3Com.COM> <1990Apr05.141253.14391@pmafire.UUCP> Sender: news@santra.uucp (Cnews - USENET news system) Reply-To: jmunkki@kampi.hut.fi (Juri Munkki) Organization: Helsinki University of Technology, FINLAND Lines: 84 In <1990Apr05.141253.14391@pmafire.UUCP> geoff@pmafire.UUCP (Geoff Allen): >>>How tough would it be to put a listserver on apple.com, anyway? >>>UUCP'ingly yours, >>>Geoff Allen >> Its probably not as easy as you think. As far as I can tell >> FTP access will only work thru internet access, if you don't >> have it, your SOL. Instead of complaining on the net, why don't >> you get your company or Administrator to get your system on >> the Internet...complain at the source. > >That's exactly the point. I'm not talking about FTP. I'm talking about >a listserver. Something like the one at rice which echos the sumex >archive. You send it mail with lines that are commands. For example, >if I want that latest version of Disinfectant, I'd send a message >saying: Actually bitnet users can use ftp services. You need to use a bitftp-server, but I've heard that it works fine. BITFTP AT PUCC is one such server. ----------------- > HELP BITFTP -- Princeton BITNET FTP Server BITFTP provides an (RFC822) mail interface to the FTP portion of the IBM TCP/IP product ("FAL") running on the Princeton VM system, to allow BITNET/NetNorth/EARN users to ftp files from sites on the Internet. To use BITFTP, send mail containing your ftp commands to "BITFTP@PUCC". The first command to BITFTP must be "FTP" or "HELP". The recommended syntax for ftp requests is: FTP hostname USER username password BITFTP implements a subset of the ftp subcommands provided in the IBM TCP/IP and uses the same syntax. Therefore, you may find it useful to obtain the "IBM TCP/IP for VM Command Reference Manual", IBM order number GC09-1204. The files you request will be sent to you in NETDATA format. You will also receive a mail file containing a log of your ftp session. In that mail file, entries prefixed by ">" are your original commands; those prefixed by ">>" are your commands as interpreted by BITFTP and passed to FTPSERVE; those prefixed by ">>>" are messages from FTPSERVE; and those prefixed by ">>>>" are completion messages from BITFTP. If BITFTP is unable to connect to the host you specify, it will send you mail after the first attempt, but will keep trying at intervals over three days. The only additional mail files you will receive will be when the connection is made successfully or when BITFTP gives up after three days. This service is currently under development and is far from complete. Current plans for improvements include: 1. Acknowledgments via MSG when mail is received and when processing has been completed. 2. A much more complete HELP facility. 3. Ability to accept requests in IBM NOTE and PROFS formats. 4. Support for several more of the FTP subcommands, such as MGET. Questions about BITFTP and suggestions for improvements should be directed to Melinda Varian, MAINT@PUCC on BITNET. The author gratefully acknowledges the use of the FTP SUBCOM interface written by David Nessl (DAVID@NERVM) and of the RFC822 parsing routine written by Eric Thomas (ERIC@LEPICS). ----------------- ___________________________________________________________________________ / Juri Munkki / Helsinki University of Technology / Wind / HP S / / jmunkki@hut.fi / Computing Center Macintosh Support / Surf / 48 X / ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~