Xref: utzoo comp.sys.sun:8711 comp.periphs.scsi:323 Path: utzoo!utgpu!watserv1!watmath!att!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!samsung!cs.utexas.edu!rice!sun-spots-request From: seeger@manatee.cis.ufl.edu (F. L. Charles Seeger III) Newsgroups: comp.sys.sun,comp.periphs.scsi Subject: Re: Why Buy I-P-I? SCSI is equally fast and 40% cheaper Keywords: Hardware Message-ID: <6634@brazos.Rice.edu> Date: 12 Apr 90 04:22:09 GMT Sender: root@rice.edu Followup-To: comp.sys.sun Organization: Sun-Spots Lines: 37 Approved: Sun-Spots@rice.edu X-Refs: Original: v9n117, Replies: v9n117 X-Sun-Spots-Digest: Volume 9, Issue 120, message 1 In article <6551@brazos.Rice.edu> gnu@toad.com writes: |X-Sun-Spots-Digest: Volume 9, Issue 117, message 8 |[For 1.2 GB, 3Mbyte/sec or 6Mbyte/sec transfer rates, 16-18ms average access] | |I have found two synchronous SCSI drives in the same performance range, |with much lower prices. [and mentions "up to 4MB/sec synchronous SCSI transfer rate"] Though modern SCSI drives are quite cost effective, the 4 MB/s transfer rate is misleading because this represents a drive cache to SCSI bus transfer. The raw rate from the media to the cache varies with drives, but figures in the range of 2.5-3.0 MB/s are the best that I have seen. That is a long way from the IPI 6 MB/s mark (which is achieved by reading from two heads in parallel). However, these drives don't make sense everywhere. If the workload is mostly disk service over an Ethernet, then the 6 MB/s can't be fully utilized. And they are rather expensive. But, if you have a multi-user machine, FDDI nets, or disk intensive applications to run locally, then the 2+ speed advantage may be just the ticket. So, I take strong exception to the statement in the subject line that SCSI disks are as fast as the IPI disks. They aren't. Even using a pair of SCSI disks in parallel on separate controllers may not be nearly as fast. It all depends on the application. However, I do agree that in most historic Sun applications, the SCSI drives are a better choice. Afterall, the people at Auspex are pretty bright, and that is their choice. Getting the most reliable drives available is another lesson that we can all learn from them. Seek times and tranfer rates aren't everything. And Sun is not yet delivering the 6 MB/s drives.... But, most of us have IPI and FDDI in our future. Just a matter of time. Charles Seeger E301 CSE Building Work: +1 904 392 1508 CIS Department University of Florida FAX: +1 904 392 1220 seeger@ufl.edu Gainesville, FL 32611 Home: +1 904 375 1819