Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!att!cbnews!military From: emery@aries.mitre.org (David Emery) Newsgroups: sci.military Subject: Re: Soviet "Tanks" in Newsweek -- really SP howitzers? Message-ID: <15386@cbnews.ATT.COM> Date: 10 Apr 90 02:02:21 GMT References: <15280@cbnews.ATT.COM> Sender: military@cbnews.ATT.COM Organization: The Mitre Corporation, Bedford, MA Lines: 28 Approved: military@att.att.com From: emery@aries.mitre.org (David Emery) >From: wesommer@athena.mit.edu (William Sommerfeld) >Might these have been self-propelled howitzers (along with some >auxiliary vehicles/ammo haulers?) Award yourself a prize! I think you're right, and I think they're the 2S1 122mm SP Howitzer. The 2S1 is close to a clone of our M109A1 in terms of SP design, and has their battle-proven cannon from the D-30. What was interesting about that is that I understood that the 2S1 was mostly confined to the Level-1 units in East Germany. According to Isby (2nd ed), there are 2 Level-2 Tank Divisions in the Baltic Military District, and either the 2S1 has been fielded to these (Level 2) Tank Divisions, or they've been moved there from a Level-1 unit somewhere. (For those of you not familiar with Soviet doctrine, they have 3 Levels of unit readiness. Level-1 is "go to war", and is the level of units in East Germany, for instance. Level 2 is about 80% fill, and Level 3 is cadre, about 20% fill, of both men and equipment.) dave emery CPT, FA, NHARNG emery@aries.mitre.org p.s. I wonder how many people in my Guard unit would get the ID right?