Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!rutgers!bellcore!ka9q.bellcore.com!karn From: karn@ka9q.bellcore.com (Phil Karn) Newsgroups: comp.protocols.tcp-ip Subject: Re: A SUSPICIOUS SECURE GATEWAY Message-ID: <23617@bellcore.bellcore.com> Date: 25 May 90 08:32:32 GMT References: <435@jove.dec.com> <9005231723.AA20278@hp-ses.sde.hp.com> Sender: news@bellcore.bellcore.com Reply-To: karn@ka9q.bellcore.com (Phil Karn) Organization: Secular Humanists for No-Code Lines: 20 In article <9005231723.AA20278@hp-ses.sde.hp.com> wunder@HP-SES.SDE.HP.COM (Walter Underwood) writes: >HP does exactly the same thing. I think of it as similar to >international borders.[...] That's not a bad analogy, because I absolutely detest having to deal with customs stations. And I certainly don't depend on US customs to protect my house (or computer) from being burglarized. My personal favorite analogy is the Berlin Wall. Shortly after the wall was opened some East German official was quoted by the AP as saying that the wall as a whole would stay up because it was "necessary to protect East Germans against AIDS", among other things. Unfortunately, this kind of thinking is not unheard of in the computer security business. Once again, I argue that there is no substitute for each individual taking the responsibility for protecting his own local domain. Security mechanisms are always most effectively implemented as close as possible to whatever is being protected. Phil