Xref: utzoo comp.unix.aux:2066 comp.sys.mac:55028 comp.sys.mac.programmer:15080 Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!umich!ox.com!time From: time@ox.com (Tim Endres) Newsgroups: comp.unix.aux,comp.sys.mac,comp.sys.mac.programmer Subject: FLAME Concerning Apple's pricing of A/UX 2.0. Message-ID: <1990Jun1.185845.24189@ox.com> Date: 1 Jun 90 18:58:45 GMT Organization: Ocwen Trading, Inc. Lines: 55 FLAME ON Apple, once again, has a marketing department with its head up its collective asshole! Their recent pricing of A/UX 2.0 is an obvious gouge, attempting to recoup development efforts. We have been developing for two years now, a full communications system which will revolutionize the typesetting industry. We have a system by which people click a mouse button, and their entire typesetting job, full specification and shipping instructions included, is piped via high speed modems to the typesetter. There, it is automatically spooled and typeset, and then shipped with an invoice and shipper that are printed automatically. The heart of the system is a UNIX based CPU which receives the incoming data, and spools to the printers, and performs administrative funcitons. We have, for obvious reasons, been focusing our development on A/UX, and until recently thought this is the system we would ship. We spent months getting the pricing of our product to be competitive. We are competing with products based on 386 technology. Our pricing was based on being able to bundle A/UX for under $250. Now we find out that A/UX 2.0 is $800 minimum, and Apple has no alternative. No "binary only" pricing. No "limited user" pricing. No "quantity" pricing. No "VAR" arrangement pricing. NOTHING!!! We are now priced uncompetitively. We were paying a premium for requiring Apple Hardware (ever price a MacIIx against a 386?). We are now redisinging the system to run on Sun's Sparc SLC! Gees, you mean I can pay $6000 for a 2MIPS box running an out of date SystemV, or pay $5000 for a 12MIPS box running BSD 4.3? And get real support?! If Apple does not get this one figured out, they can forget ever making A/UX a viable platform, since no developer in their right mind will want to add $800 to their product in exchange for basically being able to run the Finder! I am afraid that John Gilmore's observations of a year ago continue to bare true within Apple's A/UX market thinking. Developers! BEWARE OF A/UX 2.0! Apple can not support it, they can not price it, they will not sell it! And your product will sink along with its sales! FLAME OFF Tim Endres. Number One Graphics East Lansing, MI.