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From: era@ncar.ucar.edu (Ed Arnold)
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Subject: Re: PERSON OR DISABILITY FIRST ?
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Date: 1 Jun 90 13:03:48 GMT
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In article <11999@bunker.UUCP> Pat.Goltz@p4.f3.n300.z1.fidonet.org writes:
>Index Number: 8434
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>Sorry, but that is not my argument. I believe "safe sex" is a fraud. 
>I do not support the use of condoms for protection of any kind. 

Oh?  So if people are going to engage in sex *anyway*, you won't support
something that will reduce the terrible toll on society which AIDS is
taking?  Reducing that toll is a "fraud"?  Are you also saying, then,
that you don't support ANY form of birth control?  If so, you'd better
stop railing against abortion.

>No, I do not equate unsafe sex with homosexuality. I equate it with 
>ANY practice outside of marriage.

Then you're accusing 90% of the nation of having unsafe sex, including
all those couples who lived together before they got married.  Pardon
me while I chuckle ...

>  My point is, if other people want to have genital contact outside of 
>marriage, it is immoral to expect me to pay for their disabilities which 
>result from these practices, because I do not do these things. If I 
>choose to help out voluntarily, that is one thing. But coercing me to 
>help a person with a self-inflicted injury is immoral. I am as much 
>entitled to benefit from my choice of lifestyle as they are theirs. I 
>choose prudence, and that is my right. I am not obligated to bail out 
>people for being imprudent. 

Here we go down that slippery slope again ... so, if you're not obligated
to help them out (EVEN IF they didn't understand the dangers of what they
were doing when they did it, due to lack of education), why don't we just
do a little euthanasia and get it over with?  But, this argument is silly
anyway ... assuming you carry health insurance, you're going to be "coerced"
into helping persons with "self-inflicted" injuries whether you like it
or not.
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"See, the human mind is kind of like ... a pinata.  When it breaks open,
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