Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!pt.cs.cmu.edu!andrew.cmu.edu!dg1v+ From: dg1v+@andrew.cmu.edu (David Greene) Newsgroups: comp.ai Subject: Re: Hayes vs. Searle Message-ID: Date: 8 Jun 90 11:23:43 GMT References: <16875@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> <2629@skye.ed.ac.uk> <2687@skye.ed.ac.uk>, <586@dlogics.COM> Organization: Graduate School of Industrial Administration, Carnegie Mellon, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 34 In-Reply-To: <586@dlogics.COM> Excerpts from netnews.comp.ai: 7-Jun-90 Re: Hayes vs. Searle David Angulo@dlogics.COM (1092) > No, a program couldn't be printed (if by program you mean a list of > questions and their answers) because such a book or program is always > incomplete. To prove this, all you have to do is ask in English all of > the possible addition problems. This is infinite so the book cannot list > all of the questions nor can it list all of the answers. This raises a question that has not been clear in the discussion, that is, it seems to confuse intelligence with omiscience. It seems perfectly reasonable to allow that the entity (book, human, room) does not know a particular line of inquiry. The distinction (at least for the turing test) has always been that the pattern of response is indistinguishable from an "intelligent being" (usually human). Constantly saying "I don't know" to all questions won't get you too far, but it is appropriate at certain times. So does the intelligent book/ program have to have the correct answer to all questions -- is it an oracle? If not, what is meant by "correct" answer? Is it an "intelligent" answer -- such as, "Gee that's a tough question... I'll have to get back to you that." ? -David -------------------------------------------------------------------- David Perry Greene || ARPA: dg1v@andrew.cmu.edu GSIA /Robotics || dpg@isl1.ri.cmu.edu Carnegie Mellon Univ. || BITNET: dg1v%andrew@vb.cc.cmu.edu Pittsburgh, PA 15213 || UUCP: !harvard!andrew.cmu.edu!dg1v -------------------------------------------------------------------- "You're welcome to use my opinions, just don't get them all wrinkled."