Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!ogicse!decwrl!hayes!accuvax.nwu.edu!nucsrl!telecom-request From: KLH@nic.ddn.mil (Ken Harrenstien) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom Subject: Re: TDD Long Distance Discount Message-ID: <8566@accuvax.nwu.edu> Date: 3 Jun 90 00:36:47 GMT Sender: news@accuvax.nwu.edu Organization: TELECOM Digest Lines: 101 Approved: Telecom@eecs.nwu.edu X-Submissions-To: telecom@eecs.nwu.edu X-Administrivia-To: telecom-request@eecs.nwu.edu X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 10, Issue 408, Message 3 of 4 I guess I should comment, although I'm not sure whether I can adequately cover in one message all of the subtopics that are now tearing off in all directions. I tend to wax philosophical, so bear with me... As a professional, I agree with John Gilmore that rewarding inefficient transmission with lower rates seems counter-intuitive, and I can understand the appeal of Libertarian arguments to put everything on a pure pay-for-yourself basis. But Karl Denninger is correct when he writes that: >However, the issue is not >bandwidth, nor is it the information able to be transmitted per unit >of time. It could be a matter of perceived public service, or any one >of a number of other factors. It's simply impossible to consider technology in isolation; economic, political, and moral considerations all contribute factors that are almost always far more important. I learned this many times over while working on our Deafnet project and participating in the PUC hearings for California's TDD distribution program, and got so depressed and burned-out by this exposure to reality that for several years afterwards I had no interest in bashing my head any further. Technological: High-speed data standards, batched e-mail, VLSI modems and other technological fixes are fine and dandy, but the concepts were not new twelve years ago when we demonstrated all of them. Exercise for the reader: Why do you think they haven't happened? Analogous exercise: why don't we have HDTV yet? Economic: Are the deaf economically disadvantaged? In general, yes. Anecdotal evidence might work for Reagan, but not in this forum, I hope. Regardless of many well-off deaf professionals you know, the data from real surveys is not encouraging. In general, the level of income for deaf people is below that of the hearing population; for the prelingually deaf the differences are more severe. One of these differences is a 6th-grade reading level, which is not exactly a ticket to fortune (once again, movie stars notwithstanding). While my own experiences as a WODP must be considered equally anecdotal, they are consistent with these surveys. And were a rude shock, I might add. Political: Why should some groups be subsidized? A good question, which should be applied to everything else such as local and rural telephone services, hospitals, insurance, mass transit, PBS, and space launchers. Whether we like it or not, the representatives of our society have already decided that subsidization is an acceptable method to promote the greater good, and if you are arguing against this concept, you are taking a radical position indeed. In this particular case, I believe some form of help for deaf telephone users does indeed promote the greater good, but as for most other subsidies it is hard to come up with definite proof of this. We make do with appeals to emotion, reason, and greed. I don't know how the rate discount evolved. I do know that the TDD distribution plan in California was heavily influenced by TDD manufacturers who expected to gain a windfall profit from sales to telcos. The situation of deaf people provided the emotional sugarcoating that made the vendors' motives palatable to the legislature and PUC. Whether the equipment served the needs of the deaf was secondary to whether it served the needs of the vendors, the PUC, and the lobbyists thereof. In retrospect, just normal politics. Moral: Modern western culture appears to have developed a general philosophy that it is a Good Thing for advantaged people to help disadvantaged people. Aside from religious motives, this can be justified both on the selfishly personal grounds that you never know when YOU will become one of the disadvantaged, and the more noble but long-range faith that it will contribute to society as a whole. I use the word "faith" because even when the economic numbers demonstrate the advantages of things like subsidization, it's hard for most people or businesses to think in such long-range terms. Why should your money support my telephone usage? Why should my money support your PhD at Enormous State University? Why am I wandering off the subject? In sum: Personally I think that the additional traffic and business generated by providing telephone access to the deaf will far compensate for the "subsidization". I don't think the rate discount is a particularly well-conceived approach to the problem, but the other aspects (TDD distribution and relay service) are essential. The telephone has become such an enormously important and crucial part of our society today that any group which is prevented from using it, for any reason, is indeed severely disadvantaged. I just wish that it was easier to get technology out of the lab and into the real world. Ken