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From: piet@cwi.nl (Piet Beertema)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.iso.x400
Subject: Re: Dutch names in X.400 and/or RFC 1148
Message-ID: <9006080838.AA15168@piring.cwi.nl>
Date: 8 Jun 90 09:04:00 GMT
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	As the problem is easily recognisible for Dutch people, being used
	to this peculiarity
Americans should know about it too, since many Dutch names
are known there. Usually they are "americanized" though;
a famous example these days is vanGogh or VanGogh. I don't
presume this contraction was done with X.400 in mind... :-)

	My problem is of course where do I put the adjectives in an X.400
	OR-address? In the Surname or in the GivenName?
	My personal view would be to put the adjectives in the Surname.
Logically speaking that's the place where they belong:
adjectives definitely are part of a person's surname.

	Then how does a RFC987/1148 gateway handle this? What comes out will
	be something like (RFC1148 par 4.2.1 and 3.4):
	GivenName = Jan
	Surname = van der Steen
	mapping into: Jan.van der Steen@domain (RFC822)
	Which is of course an unusable RFC-822 address.
	The nicest RFC-822 adres would of course be:
	Jan.van.der.Steen@domain
Not only "nice", but correct too for most mailers nowadays.

	Any suggestions, opinions etc. on this subject are welcome, except of
	course the suggestion that all the Dutch inhabitants should Americanise
	(or Belgiumanise) their names to something like: Vandersteen
An alternative might be to Frenchise them: van-der-Steen
(or van_der_Steen for computer addicts...). ;-)


	Piet