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From: slc@hoptoad.uucp (Steve Costa)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.games
Subject: Re: Strategy anyone?
Message-ID: <11455@hoptoad.uucp>
Date: 8 Jun 90 15:07:53 GMT
References: <1990Jun4.085317.12810@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> <11454@hoptoad.uucp> <2265@dftsrv.gsfc.nasa.gov>
Reply-To: slc@hoptoad.UUCP (Steve Costa)
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>In article <11454@hoptoad.uucp>, slc@hoptoad.uucp I wrote...
>^In article <1990Jun4.085317.12810@jarvis.csri.toronto.edu> edgar@csri.toronto.edu (Edgar LeBel) writes:
>^>I am interested in two-player strategy games for the Amiga.  I have played
>^>Empire to death and need a new thrill.  I noticed in a mail-order house
>^>ad that there are games by the names of Austerlitz, Borodino, and others that
>^>I have never heard anything about.  Does anybody know anything about these
>^>or other strategy games?
>^>
>^>Hobie Orris
>^ 
>^A friend and I have been playing "Romance of the Three Kingdoms" and enjoying
>^it immensely. The detail and strategy are fairly rich.
>^ 
>^The most obvious drawback is that it is not at all "Amiga-ized". It doesn't
>^use the mouse or menus at all, though there are many game functions which would
>^have benefited.
>^ 
>^A possible second drawback, depending on your point of view, is that it takes
>^a long time to play a complete game; we played once or twice a week for
>^weeks on our first engagement.
>^ 
>^If you enjoyed Empire, I think that you will find the strategy of "Romance
>^of the Three Kingdoms" more satisfying. The development of territories is
>^more detailed. In addition, I think there is much more room for strategy
>^and tactics in battle situations, a point where I found "Empire" lacking
>
>Er, I beg to differ.  In general I thought the game to be too detailed and in
                                                           ^^^^^^^^^^^^
               I can't argue with your point other than to say it's a matter
               of taste. I enjoy the detail, but I can see that not everyone
               would.
>general unenjoyable.  I for one have very little desire to keep track of  20-30
>generals and their statistics as well as 20+ provinces.  You need a bloodly
>spreadsheet to keep things in order and the damn game does not multitask (so
                                                        ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  Actually, it does (on my 2000 and my friend's 1000). But it doesn't
  close its screen when you finish so you have to reboot anyway.
 
>you can use a spread sheet ;-) ).
 I wanted to be able to track things better, so I wrote some APL programs
 to pull apart the SAVEDGAME file and print statistics on generals.
 It was a fun exercise in reverse engineering.

>
>You're right - it isn't amigized at all.  Isn't the manual the IBM version wih
>an extra Amiga sheet?  I can't recall since I returned the game. 
>
>A much better game IMHO is Nobunaga's Ambition (also from Koei) and I've heard
                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>that Bandit Kings Of China is also better.  You might want to try the cinemaware
       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 Can you say more about these games?
 
>japanese game as well (Lords of the Rising Sun) even if it is more simplistic.
>
>For the 60+ bucks they are asking for Romance I'd check it out to make sure it
        ^^^^^^^^^
 $40.76 from Abel Supply. Of course, since it's mail order you can't return
 it if you don't like it.

>is the right game for you.  I was lucky enough to be able to return mine.
>
>NT
>
>BTW:  Romance required 1 meg.
>
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