Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!usc!snorkelwacker!bloom-beacon!convex.UUCP!root From: root@convex.UUCP (Superuser) Newsgroups: comp.windows.x Subject: Lost mail for you Message-ID: <9006071720.AA14496@sushi> Date: 7 Jun 90 17:20:36 GMT Sender: root@athena.mit.edu (Wizard A. Root) Organization: The Internet Lines: 53 From pescadero.stanford.edu!expo.lcs.mit.edu!xpert-mailer Thu May 31 15:17:06 1990 remote from convex Received: by sushi (5.51/7.0) id AA00840; Thu, 31 May 90 15:17:06 CDT Received: by convex.COM (5.51/4.7) id AA26178; Thu, 31 May 90 10:59:10 CDT Received: from Erebus.Stanford.EDU by uxc.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP (5.62+/IDA-1.2.8) id AA23485; Thu, 31 May 90 10:59:26 -0500 Received: from Hanauma.Stanford.EDU by erebus.Stanford.EDU with TCP; Thu, 31 May 90 08:47:52 PDT Received: by hanauma.stanford.edu (5.51/7.0) id AA13177; Thu, 31 May 90 08:59:14 PDT Received: from EXPO.LCS.MIT.EDU by Pescadero.Stanford.EDU (5.59/25-eef) id AA17062; Thu, 31 May 90 08:58:08 PDT Received: by expo.lcs.mit.edu; Thu, 31 May 90 08:06:02 EDT Received: from bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU by expo.lcs.mit.edu; Thu, 31 May 90 08:05:52 EDT Received: by bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU (5.61/25-eef) id AA18582; Thu, 31 May 90 07:38:13 EDT Received: from USENET by bloom-beacon.mit.edu with netnews for xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu (xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu) (contact usenet@bloom-beacon.mit.edu if you have questions) Date: 30 May 90 19:33:05 GMT From: convex!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!jag%hpcuhc%hpda (Janice Gee) Organization: Hewlett Packard, Cupertino Subject: Re: ?? X windows and C++ ?? X Interface Builders ?? Message-Id: <300001@hpcuhc.HP.COM> References: <1990May15.011443.5787@ncsuvx.ncsu.edu> Sender: convex!expo.lcs.mit.edu!xpert-request To: xpert@expo.lcs.mit.edu / hpcuhc:comp.windows.x / janzen@brazil.mpr.ca (Martin Janzen) / 9:32 am May 22, 1990 / In article <1990May20.170455.3824@alphalpha.com>, nazgul@alphalpha.com (Kee [stuff about X-windows development using C++ deleted...] > > How about any Interactive Design Tools (User interface Builders) > > Any one out there have any experiences with them? > I've used one a few times, and looked at others. My main reaction > is that the first generation of IDTs are basically graphical means of > setting resources. To really be useful they need to do direct manipulation, > add grids, alignment, and other desktop-publishing/draw-style functions. > When an IDT makes those those things easier I think I might starting using > one regularly. They also need to be more WYSIWYG about setting things > like label strings, mnemonics, accellerators and the like. > > -kee Kee, have you looked at UIMX, from Visual Edge Software Ltd.? I've tried a beta version of this thing, and it offers all the stuff you mention above. They're selling the beta version now, with the production release expected this summer. It's still got some bugs, as you might expect, but it beats the heck out of doing things manually! Visual Edge is at 3870 Cote Vertu, Montreal, Quebec H4R 1V4. Their phone number is (514) 332-6430; fax is (514) 332-5914. (No, they don't pay me; I'm passing this along *despite* having spent my long weekend working around assorted bugs...) ----------