Path: utzoo!utstat!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!van-bc!ubc-cs!alberta!atha!lyndon From: lyndon@cs.AthabascaU.CA (Lyndon Nerenberg) Newsgroups: news.software.b Subject: Re: suggestion: news.software.c Message-ID: <1927@aurora.cs.athabascau.ca> Date: 4 Jun 90 22:18:28 GMT References: <1373@yenta.alb.nm.us> <15573@bfmny0.BFM.COM> <1990Jun1.155658.2916@utzoo.uucp> Organization: Athabasca University Lines: 111 henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) writes: >What, you're not using C News yet, Tom? Shame on you. :-) We're not, either. For the reason why, see all the bug reports about it in news.software.b :-) >Actually, what I *would* suggest is renaming news.software.b to simply >news.software, instead. There really isn't enough traffic to justify >splitting it. Maybe not the total volume of the traffic, but the amount of Cnews vs. non-Cnews traffic might surprise you. Here's what I culled out of our spool directory: Articles related to Cnews (by subject): (*) 13 cnews on a 3B1 with ksh 9 suggestion: news.software.c 8 "x" field for C news 7 Cnews pathnames 6 history.pag Growing out of control! 5 dbz and uux -z option questions 4 spacefor and DBM 3 remind me again. manual newgroups for C news ? 3 manual newgroup for C news 3 Beware of "all" distribution in C news 2 spacefor under sysV3.2 2 NEWSCTL/mailpaths 2 Help! With ihave/sendme and C news. 1 mailpaths (C News) 1 length of sys file entries in C news 1 Need Help with problems posting with nn & cnews 1 ME/my.real.name (was Cnews pathnames) 1 Fix for SCO posting with nnpost to cnews 1 Descriptive names (Re: suggestion: news.software.c) 1 Cnews under Microport SysV/AT? 1 Cnews history file 1 C news logging help 1 C news lack of error logging. 1 C News plans 1 C News patch of 25-May-1990 ---- 79 Articles not related to Cnews: 4 Duplicate Message-IDs in history 3 synthesize a new newsgroup from a bunch of old ones. 3 How do you print the man pages without [nt]roff? 2 rn patch 44/45. 2 Why won't my EXPIRE commands remove some old stuff? 2 WANTED: News compression information... 2 Pickup truck wanted 2 How do I set up a private usenet? 2 Bug in Bnews?? (and where's the current version?) 1 sendactive control message 1 nntpxmit failure to fakesyslog 1 history changes 1 Wanted: an extended news program 1 Problems posting to moderated newsgroups 1 Patch for Logging problems in nntpxmit 1 PC-NFS newsreader for NNTP available 1 Newsgroups question... 1 Logging problems in nntpxmit 1 Bnews2.11 under HP-UX rev. 7.0 1 B News core files and password file 1 Active file weirdness ---- 34 What we have here is 70% of the articles in the group discussing Cnews or Cnews related issues. Next we look at who is doing the posting. Postings by Cnews authors: 21 henry@utzoo.uucp (Henry Spencer) 1 geoff@utstat.uucp (Geoff Collyer) ---- 22 Postings by non-Cnews authors: [ omited for brevitys sake ] ---- 91 Which indicates 19% of the articles in news.software.b are from the authors of news.software.c :-) I think the numbers speak for themselves. Let's create news.software.c. There is enough discussion going on related to Bnews to make the split desirable. I still run it. I have no plans whatsoever to run Cnews. Quite a few people feel the same way. I don't see the amount of Bnews related traffic dropping much over the next while. Why can't we stay out of each others hair by splitting the group? ----- (*) I did the subject breakdown by using 'grep -i c[ *]news' in the spool directory, then added in other threads that adressed cnews specific issues, as determined by a cursory inspection of some articles. The numbers may be off by a bit. If they are, it likely due to my missing Cnews discussions in the non-Cnews thread, so the 70% figure might actually be a bit low. Big deal :-) -- Lyndon Nerenberg VE6BBM / Computing Services / Athabasca University {alberta,cbmvax,mips}!atha!lyndon || lyndon@cs.athabascau.ca Sendmail has been described as the largest program yet created that does absolutely nothing. -- Mr. Protocol