Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!usc!rutgers!att!cbnews!military From: terryr@ogicse.ogi.edu (Terry Rooker) Newsgroups: sci.military Subject: Re: Battleship Armor Message-ID: <1990Jun4.194407.4533@cbnews.att.com> Date: 4 Jun 90 19:44:07 GMT References: <16041@cbnews.ATT.COM> Sender: military@cbnews.att.com (William B. Thacker) Distribution: na Organization: Oregon Graduate Institute (formerly OGC), Beaverton, OR Lines: 45 Approved: military@att.att.com From: terryr@ogicse.ogi.edu (Terry Rooker) In article <16041@cbnews.ATT.COM> ames!ames!claris!portal!cup.portal.com!mmm@uunet.UU.NET writes: > > However, I have set the fact out plainly here. The "match-box" test >[accompanying picture shows hand holding matchbox between thumb and forefinger >in its smallest dimension] gives opportunity to visualise clearly the thinness >of the skin on the intactness of which the battleship depends for her ability >to remain afloat. > Is it so much amiss to liken the hull to a huge bubble?" > >or the New Jersey, is like? Do recent warships have thin hulls like those >described in this book? > Modern ships still have hull plates that are this thick. If you think about it it isn't that surprising. The hull is built on a frame that is built from the keel. It is this frame that actually resists the pressure of the water and maintains the shape of the hull. The skin of the ship only needs to be thick enough to span the distance between stringers. On most ships the frames are on the order of 2 feet apart. The metal skin is only unsupported for that distance. If you wanted a monocoque(sp?) type of hull, then it would have to be much thicker, which is part of the reason that style is not used on ships. A double bottom is not only expensive, but it takes up a lot of volume. In a warship the latter is almost as important as the cost. Even if there is not a double bottom, tanks and voids on warships tend to be outboard near the water line to provide some of the advantages of a double bottom without the expense. For what it is worth, Soviet submarines tend to have double hulls, although in this case, the space is used for ballast tanks. It is one of the supposed advantages of Soviet sub design. There is great fear in the West that the separation from the actual pressure hull (upto 6 feet!) may render Western ASW weapons ineffective. Older ships may not even have 5/8ths of an inch in hull plate. There are numerous sea stories about screwdrivers slipping and punching holes in hulls. I believe there are cases where the hull was measured at near, or less than 1/4 of an inch! Kinda makes the thought of 30 foot swells in a quartering sea kinda scary :-) -- Terry Rooker terryr@cse.ogi.edu