Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!cs.utexas.edu!rutgers!aramis.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!christian From: firth@sei.cmu.edu Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: Re: Questions regarding the Episcopelian Church Message-ID: Date: 5 Jun 90 02:56:51 GMT Sender: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu Organization: Software Engineering Institute, Pittsburgh, PA Lines: 42 Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu In article jhpb@garage.att.com writes: >The word "pagan" in this context smacks more of a sneer than anything >else. One simply cannot take such a position seriously. Are we going >to discard the Pythagorean theorem because a Pagan discovered it? Joe, please go back to what I wrote, which was this: ] The Anglican church holds to the Real Presence. It does ] not use the term "transubstantiation" because it does not ] believe the Christian faith should be explained in terms of ] pagan philosophy. I certainly don't sneer ar pagan Antiquity, and believe Pythagoras to be one of the greatest men who ever lived. But geometry is not theology, and paganism is not revealed religion. Since you mention the famous Theorem, consider the following scenario: A learned Doctor of the Anglican Church writes a treatise on the Holy Trinity. In that treatise, he compares the three Persons of the Trinity to the three sides of a right triangle, and explains the relationships between them in terms of the Theorem of Pythagoras. This goes down so well, that a Synod is called, at which the Pythagorean explanation of the Trinity is raised to the status of dogma, declared "the one true doctrine from now until the end of time", and required of all Anglicans as necessary for salvation. Finally, the Archbishop of Canterbury decrees that all schools of theology must teach only Pythagorean Trinitarianism, its tenets must be incorporated in the Catechism, and no other explanation of the Trinity is ever to be discussed, propounded, or countenanced. No, it couldn't happen - but this is pretty close to the way in which Aristotle's doctrine of substance and accidence came to be incorporated in Roman dogma. Do you see now why some of us think it repugnant to reason and damaging to faith?