Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!mcsun!ukc!edcastle!aipdc From: aipdc@castle.ed.ac.uk (Paul D. Crowley) Newsgroups: comp.ai Subject: Re: Hayes vs. Searle Message-ID: <4672@castle.ed.ac.uk> Date: 12 Jun 90 14:11:03 GMT References: <16960@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> <2687@skye.ed.ac.uk> <36091@shemp.CS.UCLA.EDU> <587@dlogics.COM> Reply-To: aipdc@castle.ed.ac.uk (Paul D. Crowley) Organization: Edinburgh University Computing Service Lines: 25 Anything can be in the book - Searle does not specify that the book is a list of questions and answers. If we say "we've built an AI using neural nets" then the book is a list of the status of all the neurons, with instructions at the beginning as to how to alter them. Whatever program is written can be implemented as a room. The guy in the room follows the instructions in this humungous book and eventually finds out what characters to draw. The room is a perfectly reasonable philosophical idea: the guy takes a pill which means that he lives forever, and sits in this room in which time runs much faster than it does outside, and follows the instructions in the book for the rest of eternity. (Searle puts himself in the room - I think this is probably fitting punishment.) Not that I'm defending Searle. Many posters have quite correctly pointed out that "understanding" is such a useless word that Searle hasn't said much anyway: but he has said that there is _some_ fundamental difference between silicon and neuron which means that neuron can do something that silicon can't, and I don't see why we should let even that pass. -- \/ o\ Paul Crowley aipdc@uk.ac.ed.castle /\__/ "Trust me, I know what I'm doing" - Sledge Hammer