Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!aplcen!samsung!cs.utexas.edu!mailrus!accuvax.nwu.edu!nucsrl!telecom-request From: covert@covert.enet.dec.com (John R. Covert 12-Jun-1990 0939) Newsgroups: comp.dcom.telecom Subject: Re: Two Cellular Phones, Same Number Message-ID: <8916@accuvax.nwu.edu> Date: 12 Jun 90 13:45:31 GMT Sender: news@accuvax.nwu.edu Organization: TELECOM Digest Lines: 32 Approved: Telecom@eecs.nwu.edu X-Submissions-To: telecom@eecs.nwu.edu X-Administrivia-To: telecom-request@eecs.nwu.edu X-Telecom-Digest: Volume 10, Issue 431, Message 1 of 11 >What I envision is a smart-card that contains your ESN, phone number, ... For those of you who have read the description of the German C-Netz system which I translated and posted to the Digest a year ago, this is already known. That system provides exactly what you're suggesting. Unfortunately, the AMPS protocol can't do what it really takes to make this secure. The German system has two serial numbers -- one for the smart card and one for the phone itself. If either the phone or the card is stolen, it can be blocked from making further calls. With the single ESN built into the AMPS protocol, if the smart card contained the ESN, a stolen phone would have full market value. If the phone contained the ESN, you would have to change your phone number (and never reuse it, using up numbers permanently) if the card were lost, stolen, or damaged. Since the U.S. seems to be firmly wedded to the AMPS protocol, so much so that we'll not be adopting the CCITT standard Group Special Mobile, which would have allowed U.S. <-> Europe roaming, you won't see any changes that would require protocol changes. But _hopefully_ our system will continue to get cheaper, both in the cost of phones, calls, and cell-site construction, such that smaller and smaller pocket portables can be expected to operate well enough that the smart-card idea won't ever be necessary. Why have a heavy 3 Watt phone when there's always a cell close enough to reach it with 600 mW or less? /john