Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!snorkelwacker!apple!agate!typhoon.Berkeley.EDU!dankg From: dankg@typhoon.Berkeley.EDU (Dan KoGai) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Windows 3.0 Keywords: dos, windows Message-ID: <1990Jun11.021254.14167@agate.berkeley.edu> Date: 11 Jun 90 02:12:54 GMT References: <27@alchemy.UUCP> <1990Jun10.153244.6180@athena.mit.edu> <1990Jun10.154243.6742@athena.mit.edu> Sender: usenet@agate.berkeley.edu (USENET Administrator;;;;ZU44) Reply-To: dankg@typhoon.Berkeley.EDU (Dan KoGai) Organization: ucb Lines: 72 In article <1990Jun10.154243.6742@athena.mit.edu> tmyers@athena.mit.edu (Tracy S Myers) writes: >Please excuse this garbled message, my news program crashed when >I tried to post it. Below is the (hopefully) intended version. You can easily cancel your message with Captal-C if you are rn user. And other newsreaders have capability of canceling article. Even though you have none, you can still post in control newsgroup to cancel message. >If you are going to discuss the weaknesses of a product, please have an >informed opinion. Specifically, what hardware is it not compatible >with? Do you know this for certain from experience or is this just gossip? >As for leaving only 192k free in the primary 640k, are you sure about this? >This sounds way out of line with what I have heard from a number of reputable >sources. Without describing the particular system (e.g., network drivers, >TSRs, device drivers, etc.) this tidbit is totally uninformative. As for >MSW 3.0 taking 8MB of disk space, consider that several megs of fluff such >as screen backgrounds and other such stuff is included in that figure. I haven't tried NEW Windows yet but 8 Megs on disk is quite believable --first Windows have to have more fonts because it's made compatible with different resolution screens. Second normal DOS has no Toolbox equvalent and Windows have to cover that. And to build Toolbox on Intel machines it's likely to be larger than MC68x00 because it has only 8 registers, opposed to 16 for Motorola's, making memory access more. And quite likely Window is not as polished as QuickDraw and its screen drawing rotine is larger. And possibly it uses different routines for different screen standard unlike QuickDraw (video board ROM takes care of QD on Mac). Plus DOS doesn't have Mac's resource so it uses more files. Old Window was already a disk gazzler. (I couldn't believe my eyes MS Word for Windows had 14 720k disks) >> My guess is that system 7 will be well worth the wait, and will >>make windows look as archaic as ms-dos. I haven't really fooled around >>extensively with windows yet, but it doesn't seem all that great, me being used >>to the mac interface. >If you haven't used it very much why are you wasting our time? Sigh. You can use k or killfile if you don't want to waste time. and it's not your disk space to pool news articles, is it? >>It is, however, a considerable improvement over the old >>windows 286... >This thread looks like the beginning of another my computer is better >than yours war. Please, if you are not in a position to make an informed >judgement then post your opinion to comp.National_Enquirer. Or you can kindly mail him. I welcome product report like his articles in general. At least he didn't flame anyone else's article. >I use Macs, Suns, and DOS machines daily. I follow both the Mac and >DOS groups. I am just as tired of listening to bozos who have little or >no direct experience with a Mac telling me how superior MSW 3.0 will be. >I am not an apologist for Apple or IBM. Intelligent discussion of the >merits and problems of various platforms is interesting and improves our >ability to make informed decisions. Vague, sweeping, and unsubstantiated >claims only serve to confuse people, and correcting false information >wastes an inordinate amount of resources. So please if you don't know, >don't post. And I'm tired of this kind of flames. I repeat that you could've used mail. So I give you back your words: If you don't even know how to cancel an article, don't post. ---------------- ____ __ __ + Dan The "DOSPhobia" Man ||__||__| + E-mail: dankg@ocf.berkeley.edu ____| ______ + Voice: +1 415-549-6111 | |__|__| + USnail: 1730 Laloma Berkeley, CA 94709 U.S.A |___ |__|__| + |____|____ + "What's the biggest U.S. export to Japan?" \_| | + "Bullshit. It makes the best fertilizer for their rice"