Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!mailrus!uflorida!mephisto!gatech!artsnet!mgresham
From: mgresham@artsnet.UUCP (Mark Gresham)
Newsgroups: comp.music
Subject: Re: Do you have to be a Musician to enjoy Mu
Message-ID: <888@artsnet.UUCP>
Date: 3 Jul 90 13:32:45 GMT
References: <18069019:43:03KRW1@lehigh.bitnet> <596@sdl.scs.com>
Reply-To: mgresham@artsnet.UUCP (Mark Gresham)
Organization: ARTSNET  Atlanta, GA  USA
Lines: 38

In article <596@sdl.scs.com> dan@sdl.scs.com (Dan Adler) writes:
>You can be completely analytical and never "know" consciously what you are
>dealing with. Just because the banjo player can't explain what he's doing
>doesn't mean he doesn't know it. Throughout the history of Jazz there have
>been musicians who were not "schooled" but they "knew" everything through their
>ears and mind. Wes Montgomery is probably as good an example as your banjo player.
>But, the fact that they don't know the "grammar" doesn't mean that they don't
>know the language enough to express them selves in it.
>I still say it's an intellectual ability.

Two problems with your position are (1) the notion that music is a
"language" (the examples of "grammer" do not parallel musical
structure) and (2) the assumption that all knowledge is
"intellectual knowledge."  I agree that because the bajo player
can't explaint it doesn't mean he doesn't "know" it, but it is NOT
a knowledge of "intellect" involved, but an "experiential"
knowledge applied through "intuitive" knowledge.  (I am making specfic,
rather than the common uses of these words, although there is some
level of connection involved with the common uses.)
  The differences are important in that "intellect" is a kind of
objective knowledge while "experience" and "intuition" are both
non-objective (which doesn't mean you can't use "intellect" to
talk "about" them somewhat; note that I say "non-objective" rather
than "subjective").
  I'll get more into this in responding to the gentleman who
wanted to hold a serious, non-flaming discussion of why music
would have "no semantics" in another posting.  But I'll stop here
for now.

Cheers,

--Mark

========================================
Mark Gresham  ARTSNET  Norcross, GA, USA
E-mail:       ...gatech!artsnet!mgresham
or:          artsnet!mgresham@gatech.edu
========================================