Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!samsung!noose.ecn.purdue.edu!mentor.cc.purdue.edu!mace.cc.purdue.edu!asd From: asd@mace.cc.purdue.edu (Kareth) Newsgroups: comp.sys.apple2 Subject: Re: MAC PEOPLE TAKE OVER Message-ID: <4990@mace.cc.purdue.edu> Date: 28 Jun 90 05:13:44 GMT References: <3306@crash.cts.com> <1990Jun27.041352.12067@utstat.uucp> <4985@mace.cc.purdue.edu> <1990Jun27.234930.14015@utstat.uucp> Organization: Purdue University Lines: 95 Cc: In article <1990Jun27.234930.14015@utstat.uucp> philip@utstat.uucp (Philip McDunnough) writes: >I have received many letters regarding my statement that Apple does support >the AppleII,... >.... I'd like to respond to >some of the critics. Okay, and we'll respond to you. >RE: Amiga >It has been said that the GS needs to be speeded up(MHz-wise) to a point >where one can compete with an Amiga. Well, MHz isn't the true indicator of speed, like Job's likes to say, thru-put is, but it's sure a good place to start if the cpu is basically strapped with doing almost all the work. >I feel the markets are very different for the 2 computers. A 7MHz GS with I disagree, naturally. The Apple line used to be the machine for everything, but has been relegated to home/K-12. Amiga was born of games of course, but has always been firmly planted in the home market. Of course, it is a hacker's machine, just what the II used to be (is?), but is rapidly developing. The markets may differ somewhat, but they still play in the same arena, home, and no matter what the differences, they still get compared to AppleII's, or rather, they look down with utter contempt on the II's. >better graphics,stereo sound and a LOW PRICE is what is needed. I personally Very very LOW! >do not want a dedicated game machine(there are many out there) but a general Ah, but the Amiga is no longer a dedicated game machine! I wouldn't even dream of saying that. If ya do, take a look at the new Amiga 3000. It's no longer just a game anymore, although you can play some fantastic stuff on it. What it IS is a quite powerful, low-cost color Mac yet for the home market and still open to being hacked with. I've seen some might impressive stuff for the Amiga, things that had NOTHING to do with game playing but with SERIOUS productivity goals in mind! >RE: 8 bit AppleII's [lot of sound thoughts that I pretty much agree with] >RE: NeXT >Those who insist that their next computer will be a UNIX workstation( to >replace their current personal computer) should price out workstation >software,peripherals,etc...If they did this I have every confidence that >they would think twice. You do, do you? Allow me a second to consider twice..... considered. Well, that's probably the hundredth or so time I've considered, and guess what, I STILL think it's a better buy! Namely, talking about the NeXT cube as it's the only workstation that really borders in the PC market also, like the Mac is doing. And pricing it out? Get a clue! 1 basic NeXT system = $6500 (if Mac II's can be considered personal computers at their prices, so can a NeXT) 1 NeXT printer $2000 I *presume* folks know what's included with a NeXT. Here's a quick list: 25MHz '030 (25MHz '040 soon out doubles the speed), 25MHz 68882 FPU, 25MHz 56001 digital signal processor (if ya haven't seen it in action, you've missed something!), 256MB removable optical drive, 17" mono monitor (color soon to be out from what NeXT indicates, that's 24bit color if I recall correctly!), keyboard, mouse, Mach/BSD4.3 compatible OS (Unix), and MANY programs/utilities bundled with the box. Now, just going with the basic setups, at university prices a Mac IIx back in Jan 89 would cost around $4500 MORE and wouldn't include ANY of the software products that the NeXT buyer gets free, products that would cost the Mac person thousands to buy. So unless Apple can ever price a machine like NeXT can, I'll never get a Mac for my next computer. And IBM/clones have ALWAYS seemed user hostile to me, and don't even speak to me about Windows, makes me gag. Now an Amiga I might buy as my next machine, but for about twice the price I can get a NeXT and have the world of Unix at my fingertips! Along with a very respectable deal of powerful hardware/software products, all for ONE price. I think you might be suprised at the number of people who wouldn't think twice about a NeXT workstation as their next machine up from an AppleII. I know I've corresponded with quite a few that were/are going from AppleII to NeXT. I know I sure am! Course it don't mean I still don't love my II! -k