Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!usc!apple!sun-barr!newstop!sun!hanami.Eng.Sun.COM!landman From: landman@hanami.Eng.Sun.COM (Howard A. Landman x61391) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac Subject: Re: software piracy Message-ID: <138145@sun.Eng.Sun.COM> Date: 29 Jun 90 19:19:40 GMT References: <10592@spool.cs.wisc.edu> <3974@uqcspe.cs.uq.oz.au> <1794@krafla.rhi.hi.is> <1612.2680ce54@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu> <42218@apple.Apple.COM> Sender: news@sun.Eng.Sun.COM Followup-To: comp.sys.mac.misc Organization: Sun Microsystems, Mt. View, Ca. Lines: 47 Since this newsgroup is going away soon, followups to comp.sys.mac.misc. In article <42218@apple.Apple.COM> jordan@Apple.COM (Jordan Mattson) writes: > Seriously now, when are people going to learn that laws are - often - a >codification of morality. It is wrong to take things that do not belong to >you --- that is why we have laws against it. Unfortunately, laws are also - often - a codification of fear, jealousy, bigotry, misinformation, hypocrisy, and the interests of those who have large amounts of wealth and want more. There is no necessary relationship between what is moral and what is legal. Personally, I will "learn that laws are ... a codification of morality" when it's true. No sooner. Also, just as a mental exercise, you might try *proving* rigorously that copying software is "taking" anything at all. It's not all that easy! Further, copyright and patent law is EXPLICITLY based on social good, NOT on morality or individual rights. The reason the state offers this protection is to benefit society by encouraging the creation of new works and processes. If someone came up with a better way to do that, all of today's protections might be discarded. So any argument against software piracy which is based on copyright or patent law, should address issues of social good only and not attempt to bludgeon people with specious moral rhetoric. I don't approve of piracy, but it's sickening to see that computer professionals can't even agree on basic facts. How can we expect the rest of society to understand? A thought experiment: You invent an intelligent robot. You would like to educate it. However, under current copyright law, your robot is forbidden to: - Read books, magazines, or newspapers - Watch movies or television - Look at a computer screen with a protected interface - Examine the source or binary code of copyrighted programs - View most works of art - Access most online computerized databases and so on. Why? Because the robot makes copies of all these things in its memory banks when perceiving them. Now explain to the robot why depriving it in this way is fair, moral, and of benefit to society. -- Howard A. Landman landman@eng.sun.com -or- sun!landman