Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!decwrl!apple!keith
From: keith@Apple.COM (Keith Rollin)
Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.programmer
Subject: Re: SADE docs VERY disappointing!
Keywords: sade, debugging
Message-ID: <42568@apple.Apple.COM>
Date: 2 Jul 90 20:31:19 GMT
References: <271@unf7.UUCP> <386@three.MV.COM>
Organization: Apple Computer Inc, Cupertino, CA
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In article <386@three.MV.COM> cory@three.MV.COM (Cory Kempf) writes:
>shite@unf7.UUCP (Stephen Hite) writes:
>
>>  Subject says it all.  I outlay this kinda cash (I have MPW C 3.1 bundle
>>and beta MPW C++) and I get the bare minimum in documentation for SADE with
>>no recourse such as buying a user's guide from APDA or a bookstore.
>
>>  I can't honestly say that SADE is a powerful debugging environment 
>>(although I suspect from what *is* there suggests that it can be)
>>because it's development team did not take the time and effort to 
>>express it in words on paper in a well-organized and detailed manner. 
>
>I have to agree.  I was all excited when I first heard about SADE.  I was
>expecting something with at least as much power/usability as the Think C
>debugger.  Currently, SADE is last on my list of tools to use when I am
>trying to debug code.  About the only thing that I can get it to do is 
>allow me to single step through my C++ code.  And what few variables it
>does allow me to look at seem to insist on coming up in pascal format (yes,
>it is a nit, but it IS an annoyance).
>
>I wonder if the folks at Think have though of enhancing their debugger 
>to handle the SADE symbol output?  and C++?  If they do, (and are willing
>to make it a stand alone product) I'ld buy it.  As it is, I am very
>disappointed with SADE, to the extent of considering shifting to the 
>THINK environment if they ever get C++ (and accepting the loss of 
>functionality that MPW provides).  Unfortunately, since SADE is bundled
>in with MPW, I will probably be forced to purchase a worthless upgrade when
>I upgrade C++.  Sigh.

I just wanted to let y'all know that we're working on a new SADE
manual. There was just a review draft released internally, and it's
very encouraging. There were even 2 Tutorial chapters: one for C and a
similar one for Pascal. I find that I'm using SADE more and more, now
that I know more about it.

SADE is not bundled with MPW. Or rather, it is, but MPW and SADE can also
be purchased separately from each other.

I don't know when the manual will be out.

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