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From: lang@rex.cs.tulane.edu (Raymond Lang)
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Subject: Re: Copying SYSTEM DISK to /ram5
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Date: 5 Jul 90 04:21:24 GMT
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In article <42636@apple.Apple.COM> mattd@Apple.COM (Matt Deatherage) writes:
>In article <3793@rex.cs.tulane.edu> lang@rex.cs.tulane.edu (Raymond Lang) writes:
>>What I _don't_ do is select Shut Down from the Finder when the Ramdisk
>>is ready. I read here, on GEnie, and have experienced for myself problems
>>with the Finder's Shut Down option.
>>
>Would you care to repeat some of those reasons?  Shut down in the Finder simply
>ejects all the disks, shuts down the Desk Manager and calls OSShutDown, which
>is a GS/OS routine.  Nothing funny here.
>

Well, it's been awhile since I've used the ShutDown option, so I'll have
to try it and make some notes and get back to you. I can tell you this,
though: it was something that changed with 5.0, because I never had the
problem with 4.0. Just from memory, after I would select a shutdown option,
the disks would eject, but then the desktop would lock up. I could still
move the pointer with the mouse, but couldn't select anything, and the
window that said it was safe to turn off the power with the button to restart
wouldn't come up.

>This is not good.  People need to get in the habit of shutting down the system
>without using the reset key.  If people won't shut down the system, it will

Well, I was in the habit until 5.0 came out.


>make it hard for us to add system-wide enhancements.  For example, maybe
>someday we'd like to change the Finder so it uses a system-maintained desktop
>database.  This would let it know where applications are without requiring you
>to edit icon files.  Unfortunately, that means that when application files

Sounds great! Can you tell us when we can look for that?


>[lots of stuff about the mess you can make with the reset key]

Believe me, I'd love to do clean exits if I could. Really. But frankly,
a lot of GS specific stuff has problems shutting down. The Finder,
the Orca Desktop, and Warlock come to mind immediately, and I know I've
got other stuff that just doesn't always exit cleanly.


>If there's a problem with RAM disks and shutting down, I want to hear about it.

I know I can duplicate the problem I used to get. And I may have even saved
an article that came through here a few weeks back from someone else who
was having a similar problem. And then of course, there's been at least
two and maybe three people this week that are having problems setting up
RAM disks and booting from them.


>Globally recommending not shutting down is not wise, though.
>
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Ray
lang@rex.cs.tulane.edu