Path: utzoo!censor!geac!torsqnt!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!cs.utexas.edu!usc!apple!apple.com!rmh From: rmh@apple.com (Rick Holzgrafe) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Menu items that change Message-ID: <9000@goofy.Apple.COM> Date: 5 Jul 90 22:15:11 GMT Sender: usenet@Apple.COM Organization: Apple Computer, Inc. Lines: 37 References:<40218215MES@MSU> <42382@apple.Apple.COM> <42383@apple.Apple.COM> <1990Jun27.180718.3155@portia.Stanford.EDU> <1990Jul3.143206.940@acc.stolaf.edu> <886@mdavcr.UUCP> <23043@dartvax.Dartmouth.EDU> In article <23043@dartvax.Dartmouth.EDU> kurash@carr.dartmouth.edu (Mark Valence) writes: > What are your reasons for not liking changing menus? Menus, like much of the Mac interface, should let the user use "muscle memory". This means that a function should always appear in the same place. (When was the last time you had to either think about, or look for, the "Open" command in any application?) Another tenet of the User Interface Thought Police: don't startle the user. Capriciously changing menu items are surprising and confusing. On the other hand, these are not reasons to make *all* menu items constant. You just have to avoid moving things around too much, or replacing items with surprisingly different items. I see nothing wrong with changing the text of a menu item to reflect a sensible option or variant, and neither do the Thought Police. The Finder "Clean Up" command is a good example. > (It's not fair to say they just feel wrong :) Yes it is! This has been the hardest lesson for me to learn at Apple. No matter how logical or sensible I think an interface is, if too many users "just don't like it" then the users are right and I'm wrong. "It feels wrong" is another way to say "it's not intuitive to me". Disclaimer: you can always find a few people to complain about anything. If you looked hard enough, you could probably find someone who doesn't like chocolate ice cream. Just beware when *lots* of folks are complaining. :-) ========================================================================== Rick Holzgrafe | {sun,voder,nsc,mtxinu,dual}!apple!rmh Software Engineer | AppleLink HOLZGRAFE1 rmh@apple.com Apple Computer, Inc. | "All opinions expressed are mine, and do 20525 Mariani Ave. MS: 77-A | not necessarily represent those of my Cupertino, CA 95014 | employer, Apple Computer Inc."