Xref: utzoo comp.sys.mac.misc:1135 comp.sys.mac.hypercard:3938 Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!samsung!usc!ucsd!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!ucbvax!agate!shelby!siegman@sierra From: siegman@sierra.STANFORD.EDU (siegman) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc,comp.sys.mac.hypercard Subject: Re: "Innovative software like Hypercard" [sic] Message-ID: <123@sierra.STANFORD.EDU> Date: 8 Jul 90 22:21:32 GMT References: <1990Jul7.225429.22821@midway.uchicago.edu> <33543@ut-emx.UUCP> Sender: siegman@sierra.Stanford.EDU (Anthony E. Siegman) Organization: Stanford University Lines: 37 My two opinions on this thread: 1) I won't express an opinion pro or con on the value of Hypercard as a programming system for amateur programmers, or as a sales tool for Macs -- though I some time ago decided there was no stackware I was finding useful, and de-accessioned HyperCard completely. (Maybe getting a CD-ROM drive would change that.) But I'll point out once again -- hope this doesn't get tiresome -- that for the amateur, occasional, part-time programmer (at any level from high-school student to full professor) who wants to write a few real Mac-like programs now and then, to do real work, QuickBASIC provides a superb, powerful, easy to learn and easy to use real Mac programming environment and language. Certain interface-intensive tasks I'd certainly chose to implement in HyperCard. But QuickBASIC programming on the Mac, even with interface considerations included, is certainly no harder to learn or use than is HyperCard scripting, especially if you want to "write a program"; and the hardware and memory requirements are very much less. (And you can end up with a nice small free-standing clickable application.) 2) IMHO the debates raging in this and other groups over the relative merits of the Mac versus Windows 3.0 are largely irrelevant. A very large number of novice computer buyers (and a large number of elementary and high school educators needing to replace their Apple IIs) are going to look at Windows 3.0, and say, "Hey, that's great!! ... Just like the Mac!" (whether that's true or not) ". And then they're going to look at clone prices, and at the total system they can get for their limited dollars (and the warranties), and say "And a lot cheaper too!!" And they're going to buy the clone with Windows. (And developers are going to look at, what is it, 1 million Macs, and 7 (?) million PCs and growing, out there, and decide where to steer their creativity.) I don't think Apple yet really believes this will happen. We'll see...