Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!ns-mx!iowasp.physics.uiowa.edu!ceres.physics.uiowa.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uwm.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!m.cs.uiuc.edu!gillies From: gillies@m.cs.uiuc.edu Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac.misc Subject: Re: Loss of Mac's 20%... the Mac's Message-ID: <70400019@m.cs.uiuc.edu> Date: 8 Jul 90 19:51:00 GMT References: <52331@<1990Jul8> Lines: 39 Nf-ID: #R:<1990Jul8:52331:m.cs.uiuc.edu:70400019:000:1913 Nf-From: m.cs.uiuc.edu!gillies Jul 8 14:51:00 1990 by doner@aerospace.aero.org (John Doner): | Do that, and they won't be around for the long run, or if they are, we won't | care. The money for all that R&D, developing and improving user interfaces, | innovative software like Hypercard, etc., let alone the hardware, has to come | from somewhere. What a load of horsesh*t. First, it is evident that Apple squanders a lot of bucks on "image advertising", not on user interface R & D. Have you watched any TV lately? Second, it is apparent to me (being a former network software developer), that Apple is blowing a lot of money on LAN software, 99% of which, home & education users cannot take advantage of, and will probably never take advantage of. Third, many user interface breakthroughs arise in new application software, not from some user interface bozo in a think tank. Is Hypercard the last piece of application software Apple will develop? Then you can kiss user interface innovation GOODBYE. I'd like to hear you mention a "user interface breakthrough" Apple has made since 1987. (Knowledgeable net readers know that most of the Mac II ROM innovations were copied from other systems). In fact, if we discount tear-off menus, we can go all the way back to 1985. Fourth, it is apparent that personal users are still being milked to fuel Apple's push into the business market (i.e. some large fraction of every SE purchase is probably spent on postscript printer support, appletalk / appleshare upkeep, IIfx design, developer support for high-end Color Retouch & CAD programs, etc. etc. etc.) Don't kid yourself that high macintosh hardware revenues is being spent on "The Rest of Us" as Apple used to say. It's being spent on "The Rich of Us", e.g. business users. Don W. Gillies, Dept. of Computer Science, University of Illinois 1304 W. Springfield, Urbana, Ill 61801 ARPA: gillies@cs.uiuc.edu UUCP: {uunet,harvard}!uiucdcs!gillies