Path: utzoo!utgpu!watserv1!watmath!att!cbnews!military From: aoki@postgres.Berkeley.EDU (Paul M. Aoki) Newsgroups: sci.military Subject: Re: Ship survivability (Was: USS Midway) Message-ID: <1990Jul6.032725.27614@cbnews.att.com> Date: 6 Jul 90 03:27:25 GMT References: <1990Jun30.053912.4518@cbnews.att.com> <1990Jul5.020444.14132@cbnews.att.com> Sender: military@cbnews.att.com (William B. Thacker) Organization: Postgres Research Group, UC Berkeley Lines: 38 Approved: military@att.att.com From: aoki@postgres.Berkeley.EDU (Paul M. Aoki) wrf@mab.ecse.rpi.edu (Wm Randolph Franklin) writes: >1. Standards for buildings on land often require a heat detector in >every storeroom. Why don't ships do this? Would the extra wiring pose >a greater threat than the earlier notice? Would there be too many false >alarms? Newer ships, e.g., the DD-963 class and the classes derived from it, have such detectors all over the place. I have no idea whether relics like MIDWAY have been retrofitted with them. >2. Why isn't Halon used? It's used in computer rooms on land. It's >supposed to quench most fires at a concentration not (immediately?) >fatal to people? If it's a war, the immediate danger of the ship >sinking is greater than the danger of future cancers (the Agent Orange >argument). Note that I'm not certain that Halon is a long term hazard >to people. Halon *is* used on just about every Navy surface combatant. On the DD-963 class, Halon is used to protect the main engineering spaces and the flam-storage spaces. Cancer isn't the problem, it's the fact that the fumes from Halon at high temperature are toxic. (It's pretty exciting in a main space when someone activates Halon -- a flashing, rotating, police-style red light goes on, as well as an ear-splitting klaxon, the point being "YOU HAVE SIXTY SECONDS TO GET OUT OF THE SPACE" ..) Unfortunately, Halon isn't a panacea; it may work wonders on a Class C fire in a computer room with the power secured, but it isn't always effective in blazing-hot metal boxes (rooms) filled with paint, fuel oil, or what have you. Most fires wind up being fought by the E-3 with an OBA and a fire hose, spraying seawater or foam. Disclaimer: I don't speak for DOD, DON, or anyone else. Nor am I a DCA. -- Paul M. Aoki | aoki@postgres.Berkeley.EDU | "Nice girls don't explode."