Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!att!cbnews!military From: zonker@ihlpf.att.com (Thomas M Harris) Newsgroups: sci.military Subject: Re: Airborne Operations Message-ID: <1990Jul8.053521.8182@cbnews.att.com> Date: 8 Jul 90 05:35:21 GMT Sender: military@cbnews.att.com (William B. Thacker) Organization: AT&T Bell Laboratories Lines: 53 Approved: military@att.att.com From: zonker@ihlpf.att.com (Thomas M Harris) In reference to gliders. During WWII due to the relatively primitive nature of transport aircraft (at least as far as using them for parachute operations) the glider was the best alternative for delivery of the heavy equipement needed by the airborne forces. Nobody on the allied side seems to think it was a particularly good way to do things, especially by the end of the war, but it was the best way at the time. Gliders require too much open, level, hard ground, they are fairly easy to defend against i.e. obstacles, and as such they tended to restrict the location for airborne operations. Gliders are one of the reasons the British First Airborne Division gets so badly chopped up. They have to drop six miles to the North of Arnhem to protect the only suitable glider landing zones. If they had been all parachute they could have dropped south of the bridge and been in a much better position to hold the bridge and support XXX corps advance. Instead they are almost cutoff and wiped out. The glider disappears after WWII as military air transports are developed with parachute operations in mind (i.e. back loading ramps so large equipment can be parachuted) and as helicopters become available which can do the same job. I don't think that in the time frame available in WWII after D-Day there is enough time to develop an alternative and frankly the gliders did the job. The Central Illinois Tabletop Warriors are currently working on a replay of operation Market-Garden and as part of the judging team I have been doing a fair amount of research in allied airborne OBs. All three U.S. Airborne divisions had a glider infantry regiment. (The 82nd's was the 325th and the 101's was the 327th and don't know the last one's probably the 326th). I don't know much about the third U.S. airborne division except that the 507th parachute regiment was attached to the 82nd for D-Day as the rest of the division wasn't ready yet and it was gone for Market Garden as the Division was in England, but not yet combat ready. Most of each U.S. division's artillery regiment was also glider borne (two battalions 75mm guns and 1 battalion of 105mm), but each also had one parachute artillery battalion (75mm guns were dropped un-assembled from the side doors of the transports). Note: the U.S. airborne artillery used pack 75mm and pack 105mm howitzers which had special carriage and could be broken down into small loads (the guns were also used by mountain troops such as the 10th division). The British Divisions were set up similarly as far as glider troops went i.e. one regiment, but all their artillery was glider born. The British generally were much more enthusiastic about gliders until Arnhem. Also developed at the end of the war was a glider borne tank the Locust. It was dropped using the large British Waco glider. It saw action with the British in the Ruhr operation. Non Cuniculus Est, Tom Harris [mod.note: Chamberlain and Ellis, in _Tanks of the World, 1915-45_, claim that the Locusts were delivered in Hamilcar gliders. Britain had their own airborne tank, the Light Tank Mk VII Tetrarch, also carried by Hamilcars; these were used at Normandy and in the Ruhr operation. Twenty were also sent to the USSR via Iran. - Bill ]