Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!wuarchive!brutus.cs.uiuc.edu!ux1.cso.uiuc.edu!iuvax!cogsci!dave From: dave@cogsci.indiana.edu (David Chalmers) Newsgroups: comp.ai Subject: Re: Searle and Radical Translation (was: Re: Searle and Biology) Message-ID: <51398@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> Date: 19 Jul 90 04:25:26 GMT References: <14265@enera.isi.edu> <602@ntpdvp1.UUCP> <1595@oravax.UUCP> <606@ntpdvp1.UUCP> Sender: news@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu Reply-To: dave@cogsci.indiana.edu (David Chalmers) Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington Lines: 44 In article <606@ntpdvp1.UUCP> kenp@ntpdvp1.UUCP (Ken Presting) writes: >Searle does not say much about how to determine whether symbols have any >semantics attached, but he is unlikely to object strongly to the "Radical >Interpretation" of Davidson (and Quine), which is well-known and very >influential among philsophers of language. > >Radical Interpretation *is* based on observations of behavior. (Cf. WVO >Quine, _Word and Object_, and D. Davidson, _Inquiries into Truth and >Interpretation_) Searle is, and has been for more than 20 years, one of the most prominent opponents of Radical Translation/Interpretation. I can't imagine anybody whose views are more diametrically opposed to this theory than Searle. Please get your facts straight. All this, of course, is grounded in Searle's complete rejection of behaviourism of any sort (including behavioural criteria for the ascription of semantic contents). Searle believes in "intrinsic intentionality", i.e. that semantic contents are intrinsic to our brains and fully determined. (See his book _Intentionality_ for many arguments against underdetermination.) Despite Searle's protestations, however, intentionality (i.e. semantics) is irrelevant to the Chinese Room argument. The argument is an argument about *consciousness* (phenomenology, qualia, subjective experience, pick your favourite term), and even if the argument were sound, the only conclusion that it would establish is that implementing program P is not sufficient for consciousness. On the face of it, semantics is a quite separate issue. The Chinese Room argument only becomes an argument about semantics when combined with the premise "Consciousness is a necessary prerequisite for true semantics." Searle believes this, most other philosophers do not; on the face of it the two phenomena are independent. In the 1980 paper, Searle doesn't even bother to explicitly state this premise, but assumes it. In the absence of convincing argument for the premise, all arguments about the Chinese Room should be stated in terms of consciousness, not semantics. The "syntax/semantics" argument just confuses the issue. -- Dave Chalmers (dave@cogsci.indiana.edu) Concepts and Cognition, Indiana University. "It is not the least charm of a theory that it is refutable"