Path: utzoo!attcan!uunet!samsung!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!sunybcs!uhura.cc.rochester.edu!ee.rochester.edu!seah From: seah@ee.rochester.edu (David Seah) Newsgroups: comp.cog-eng Subject: Noun-Verb vs Verb-Noun Message-ID: <1990Jul16.214644.3009@ee.rochester.edu> Date: 16 Jul 90 21:46:44 GMT Reply-To: seah@ee.rochester.edu Organization: University of Rochester Department of Electrical Engineering Lines: 38 I'm interested in finding an article or book that compares the relative virtues of using a noun-verb command structure (ala the Apple Finder) versus a verb-noun structure (like workstation-based CAD programs I've come across). I've been searching around Computer-Human Interaction type subjects, but I suspect I should start looking into psychology more. Any pointers? --- One of the benefits of a noun-verb or object-action command structure, according to the Apple Human Interface Guidelines, is that the "paradigm matches the syntax that we normally use in ordinary noncomputer actions: 'Hey, you...' (selection) '...do this' (choose an action)." Is this really the case? I tend to think that this syntax comes with a certain way of thinking about the computer system in general. With the noun-verb paradigm, the computer is treated as an unintelligent box. You must alert the computer, by nature a dull and listless creature, by playing with the objects on the screen to attact its attention (selection). You then command the bitbox to do something with those objects (choose an action). The "ordinary noncomputer" syntax seems suited for playing with the dog than with other people. The verb-noun paradigm seems to be more geared toward the notion of an intelligent computer. It's certainly more interactive, where the computer is on a footing equal to yourself (sort of :) You say, "Arrange those boxes!"(choose an action). The computer responds, "which boxes?" (selection). Then it does it. Or perhaps it doesn't, which is more realistic. Is the idea of a subordinate computer the idea behind the noun-verb paradigm? Personally, I like noun-verb better because it doesn't commit the user toward performing an action, like not letting go of a chess piece until you're really decided on your course of action. It's also a little like my RPN HP calculator in that it saves "user-strokes". Verb-noun command structures tend to wallow in obscure modes, and are tedious to use because they are more suited toward the batch-processing mentality. Sorry if these topics were covered in Basic Cog-Sci 101...I'm a EE that is just getting interested in these topics. -- Dave Seah | Omnidyne Systems-M | INET: seah@ee.rochester.edu ^..^ | "User-Friendly Killing Machines" | America Online: AFC DaveS yargh! +----------------------------------------------------------------=*