Xref: utzoo soc.college:5471 comp.edu:3345 misc.jobs.misc:7307 Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!uwm.edu!lll-winken!cs!shimeall From: shimeall@cs.nps.navy.mil (Tim Shimeall) Newsgroups: soc.college,comp.edu,misc.jobs.misc Subject: Re: Academia vs. Industry (for CS PhDs) Summary: Not many jobs Message-ID: <1094@cs.nps.navy.mil> Date: 13 Jul 90 23:27:54 GMT References: <9518@hacgate.UUCP> Reply-To: shimeall@cs.nps.navy.mil (Tim Shimeall) Organization: Naval Postgraduate School, Monterey CA Lines: 31 (Note: I don't speak for the Naval Postgraduate School, nor the Computer Science Dept. thereof, nor am I on the recruiting committee of that department.) First, be aware that the academic market for CS Ph.D.s is tightening rapidly. In 1982, there were about 7 academic jobs open for every Ph.D. that graduated (based on the Snowbird report). In 1990, many departments have hundreds of Ph.D. applicants for every open position. Many of the top schools are not hiring any longer, and the second and third tier schools are filling rapidly. In short, unless you are an exceptionally talented student in a rare-but-needed speciality, you may have a VERY hard time getting an academic job. I chose academia over industry for several reasons: + I wanted to set my own research agenda, and thought my research ideas interesting enough to be funded (true, thus far.) + I wanted to teach. Don't underestimate the sheer fun of getting students to understand hard concepts, and introducing them to new ways of looking at the world. + I liked the freedom to travel and share information with other researchers that academic folks have, but industrial folks often don't. + I did not want to deal with a profit-oriented company structure (I'm not denigrating such structures -- they're needed; but I just preferred to avoid them.) The particular school I ended up at (the Naval Postgraduate School) fit my desires almost perfectly. (I'll edit out a testimonial to the school -- suffice it to say that this is a VERY nice place for a young CS Ph.D.) Tim Disclaimer: The above is strictly a personal opinion and is not binding on any person or organization.