Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!usc!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!ark1!nems!dtoa1!lumsdon From: lumsdon@dtoa1.dt.navy.mil (Lumsdon) Newsgroups: comp.society.futures Subject: Re: Freedom Message-ID: <2600@nems.dt.navy.mil> Date: 16 Jul 90 21:06:55 GMT References: <3533@crash.cts.com> Sender: news@nems.dt.navy.mil Reply-To: lumsdon@dtoa1.dt.navy.mil (Esther Lumsdon) Organization: David Taylor Research Center, Bethesda, MD Lines: 35 In article bzs@world.std.com (Barry Shein) writes: Barry Shein writes in disagreement with mikeu. >From: mikeu@pro-magic.cts.com (System Administrator) >>If it proves out in court that the two cases involved were indeed criminally >>conceived, then I support in retroaction the seizures that took place; in >>effect they stopped that criminal activity. If, however, the charges are >>proven wrong, then a closer look at the process that led up to those actions >>is required. Many years ago, The Founding Fathers wrote certain protections for citizens (protecting them from The State) into our constitution and amendments to our constitution. Citizens of the USA are protected from unreasonable search and seizure (or siezure). The law, law enforcement agencies, and the court system are struggling to incorporate new, electronic forms of access, new, electronic forms of property, and new, electronic forms of tresspassing & theft into old laws and precedents. I believe that this new Foundation chose 2 cases where it likely that law enforcement agencies overstepped the rights of citizens, and are working to define the rights of citizens, and defend the rights of citizens, with respect to new technology. I think that this new Foundation is working to strengthen our legal system. I don't think they give the appearance of supporting criminal activity. Our court systems works when opposing sides present their viewpoints energetically and in an adversarial manner, and judge and/or jury make decisions. Our legal system does not work when law enforcement or prosecution misleads the judicial branch, or when the judicial branch works hand in glove with the enforcement branch. I am willing to 'go easy' on alleged criminals in order to prevent the latter from happening. -------------------------- Esther Lumsdon -------------------------------- lumsdon@dtoa1.dt.navy.mil lumsdon@dtrc.dt.navy.mil lumsdon%dtrc.navy.mil@uunet.uu.net "Wherever you go, there you are" -Buckaroo Bonzai