Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!wuarchive!uwm.edu!bionet!ames!sparkyfs!hercules!fernwood!portal!cup.portal.com!thad From: thad@cup.portal.com (Thad P Floryan) Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga Subject: Re: On the lighter side... Message-ID: <31704@cup.portal.com> Date: 14 Jul 90 06:07:55 GMT References: <33854@ut-emx.UUCP> Organization: The Portal System (TM) Lines: 43 greg@walt.cc.utexas.edu (Greg Harp) in <33854@ut-emx.UUCP> writes about his client having "locked-up Seagates..." who shrugs that problem off with the (incredible to me) quote: "Other than that," he says, "they're fine." "Oh yes," he responded, "You just have to pop the case open and give it a little spin. Thay start right back up!" Yeah; right. After cleaning up after a recent fire, the Maxtors, Connors and Quantums started right up as if nothing had happened. My (last) Seagate, a ST-157N, wouldn't spin up. 11 drives and ALL 11 develop the same problem: the non-spin (this includes ST-251 and ST157N drives). Kinda leads me to think that perhaps the "ST" in the Seagate product code number stands for: ^^ Stops Turning (You DON'T want to hear my OTHER choices for the meaning of ``ST'' :-) Ripping-off the anti-static beryllium-copper tab with a pair of plumber's pliers and twisting the (main) shaft with said pliers got the drive going again. That drive had stiction beyond belief; difficult to believe a tiny 3-1/2" drive could "glue" the heads so tightly in the park zone (this was the first time it was powered down in a long time). What with the hundreds of emails I received over the past several years concerning Seagate drives and my own experiences with 11 different Seagate drives, I'm wondering whether anyone has considered some kind of class-action suit? Or would pestering the FTC be more effective as it was against Radio Shack circa 1972-1975 with their "500W" audio amps and nano-pico-femto-Watt sensitivity FM tuners, forcing the FTC to institute new consumer protection laws (with RS re-rating the same audio amps to 25W and tuners to 10milliWatt)? Suffice it to say, Seagate is one company whose products I now avoid. And remember the posting by a VAR (not me) to comp.periphs a month ago expressing concern the new Seagate logo on Imprimis drives would eat thru the case bringing with it software rot and bit decay. :-) "--------- OTHER THAN THAT?!?!?!?!?!" Sheesh. Thad Floryan [ thad@cup.portal.com (OR) ..!sun!portal!cup.portal.com!thad ]