Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!clyde.concordia.ca!uunet!decwrl!apple!rutgers!aramis.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!christian From: cms@dragon.uucp Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: Re: Benjamin Britten's pagan? carol Message-ID: Date: 16 Jul 90 07:06:30 GMT Sender: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu Organization: Computer Projects Unlimited Lines: 40 Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu In article , jhpb@granjon.garage.att.com writes: > It is not an article of the Catholic Faith that Adam's sin was a > prerequisite to Jesus' Incarnation. However, it may be piously > believed. > > Chris > > Indeed. There is a school of Catholic theology that believes that the > Incarnation would have happened whether Adam fell or not. They do not > see the main purpose of the Incarnation in the Redemption, but in the > reign of Christ over all creation, if I recall correctly. > > Joe Buehler Does this mean that Christ would have become Incarnate but need not have died on the Cross to redeem mankind for their sins? that he would have ruled without the Cross? I suppose this begs the question: Is sin an inevitable aspect of intelligence? Was it within Adam's nature to sin before the Fall? Did God know this? Ah, Thomas Aquinas is smarter than me, Summa Contra Gentiles (Volume I: God): "....an effect can be preknown in its cause even before it exists. Thus, an astronomer preknows a future eclispe from a consideration of the order of the heavenly motions. But God knows all things through a cause; for, by knowing Himself, Who is the cause of other things, He knows other things as His effects, as was shown above. Nothing, therefore, prevents God from knowing even the things that are not." -- Sincerely, Cindy Smith _///_ // SPAWN OF A JEWISH _///_ // _///_ // <`)= _<< CARPENTER _///_ //<`)= _<< <`)= _<< _///_ // \\\ \\ \\ _\\\_ <`)= _<< \\\ \\ \\\ \\ <`)= _<< >IXOYE=('> \\\ \\ \\\ \\_///_ // // /// _///_ // _///_ // emory!dragon!cms <`)= _<< _///_ // <`)= _<< <`)= _<< \\\ \\<`)= _<< \\\ \\ \\\ \\ GO AGAINST THE FLOW! \\\ \\ A Real Live Catholic in Georgia Don't bother me now! I'm looking up a Scripture passage to support one of my preconceived notions. -- Charles Schulz