Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!rutgers!aramis.rutgers.edu!athos.rutgers.edu!christian From: mike@turing.cs.unm.edu (Michael I. Bushnell) Newsgroups: soc.religion.christian Subject: Re: homosexuality Message-ID: Date: 18 Jul 90 09:08:56 GMT Sender: hedrick@athos.rutgers.edu Organization: University of No Money, Albuquerque, New Mexico Lines: 67 Approved: christian@aramis.rutgers.edu In article alan@jts.com (alan sinclair) writes: Of significance is the fact, to quote a cliche, that when Adam was incomplete God created Eve, not Steve. Adam and Eve were, as well, likely to have been of the same race. Interracial marriage was considered horrendous throughout most of history. Do you find it so? Implied in that story is that God made humans in two complimentary natures: masculine and feminine. And that masculine/feminine complimentation is MUCH more than physical. The complimentary union of masculine and feminine is God's building block for the family, society, the church, ... And how do you know this? Special dispensation? Magic? I always thought the building block for the family, society, and the church was human beings. What about societies where women have no part? What about churches where women have no voice? God designed masculine and feminine to fit together. In the marital sense, masculine and masculine do not fit together. Trying to fit them together can only lead to frustration, as God never meant this to happen. Is this vice? You say this, but I suspect, with all due respect, that you've never tried. Two men can "fit" together, physically and emotionally, and, if you have no experience with that possibility, you have no right to decide whether it leads to frustration or not. At the risk of starting a fire storm, it seems to me that homosexuals realize this. Is it not true that in homosexual couples one assumes the masculine role and the other the feminine? All the homosexual men who are effeminate - the "obvious" ones - are they not just those men who assume the feminine role in the couple? No, it is not true. No, they are not "just those men." Effeminancy has virtually nothing to do with the sexual role one plays. In the majority of gay relationships today, there is really no "masculine" partner and no "feminine" partner. And then there's the legions of straight effeminate men. Before you tell us all how homosexuals are, or what we do, find out for real. Get to know some gay people. Find out what their lives are like. Talk to them. Become their friends on their own terms. Come back in a few years, and *then* explain to us how gay people are and what their relationships are like. If you aren't willing to do that, then give us the minimum of Christian charity and accept our self-definitions as fact. One final note. I've recognized in myself some painful spiritual problems. As I work through them, and as I reflect on the way I conduct discussions like this one, I need the peace to be away from the net. I will still be reading this newsgroup, but this will be my last post for a while. "Laters, dudes." -- Michael I. Bushnell \ This above all; to thine own self be true LIBERTE, EGALITE, FRATERNITE \ And it must follow, as the night the day, mike@unmvax.cs.unm.edu /\ Thou canst not be false to any man. CARPE DIEM / \ Farewell: my blessing season this in thee!