Path: utzoo!utgpu!news-server.csri.toronto.edu!mailrus!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!usc!venera.isi.edu!smoliar From: smoliar@vaxa.isi.edu (Stephen Smoliar) Newsgroups: comp.ai Subject: Re: Searle and Radical Translation (was: Re: Searle and Biology) Summary: real machines don't compute functions (or eat quiche) Message-ID: <14441@venera.isi.edu> Date: 28 Jul 90 00:46:36 GMT References: <612@ntpdvp1.UUCP> <5362@puggsly.cme.nist.gov> Sender: news@venera.isi.edu Reply-To: smoliar@vaxa.isi.edu (Stephen Smoliar) Organization: USC-Information Sciences Institute Lines: 24 In article <5362@puggsly.cme.nist.gov> kohout@cme.nist.gov (Robert Kohout) writes: > >In addition, I fail to see how real machines do not, in the technical sense, >compute functions. Well, my VAX is about as real a machine as you can get (for better or worse); but when it is running UNIX, I do not think anyone would say it is computing a function. For one thing, it does not halt. (At least it's not SUPPOSED to halt, and halting is generally indicative of an error.) The same is true of any real-time control system. While it is certainly true that such systems have Turing-like functions as components, you cannot say that THE WHOLE THING is such a function. ========================================================================= USPS: Stephen Smoliar USC Information Sciences Institute 4676 Admiralty Way Suite 1001 Marina del Rey, California 90292-6695 Internet: smoliar@vaxa.isi.edu "It's only words . . . unless they're true."--David Mamet